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My elderly uncle is completely addicted to these. We can barely complete a conversation without him getting bored and pulling out his phone to watch these nonse

by wan23 4mo ago

My elderly uncle is completely addicted to these. We can barely complete a conversation without him getting bored and pulling out his phone to watch these nonsense videos. I don't even understand what the point is. The ones he watches are these clearly procedurally generated stories. It'd be one thing if the content was actually interesting, but ugh.

MichaelZuo 4mo ago
There are so many of these stories… it makes me wonder if humans in general have “general intelligence” either. Or whether it’s only a small subset who do.
- sublinear 4mo ago
  What people do is not well correlated with what they know. You can't reduce people to their behavior. You can reduce machines to their behavior. If you disagree, I would strongly suggest you review where else you might be making this incorrect assumption.
  - MichaelZuo 4mo ago
    If you don’t assess people based on their actions… then how do you assess them? From my experience actions are easily worth thousands of times more than any other criteria.
    - sublinear 4mo ago
      Attaboy you're on the right track! We're almost in agreement. I'm saying that you cannot accurately assess people at all! All you can do is guess. But when we assess a machine, we do know everything about it based on its actions.
      - MichaelZuo 4mo ago
        This comment doesnt make sense. How is it relevant to my question, whether you think someone else agrees with you… or not? I just don’t see a reason for anyone to give you higher credibility than other HN users.
      - Timwi 4mo ago
        > But when we assess a machine, we do know everything about it based on its actions. This is obviously false. Every developer has had hour-long debugging sessions to track down a mysterious behavior. Sometimes entire teams are stumped by a technical glitch. Until the bug is found, nobody knows everything about the machine.
        sublinear 4mo ago
        Yet the bug has a chance of eventually being discovered. If someone is determined to find it, they certainly will. You are not thinking clearly here.
  - kakapo5672 4mo ago
    You can't reduce people to their behavior ... As a first approximation, why not? Behavior is generally all we have in front of us, plus any other assorted social signals. Internal mental states are invisible, as is the personal history of the individual. We might note a man beating a kitten on the sidewalk, and believe this behavior sufficient grounds to reduce this person to the category "dick", even if we remained unaware of his high intelligence, his doctoral paper on gender-inequality, and the fact his mother hates him.
jb1991 4mo ago
Now I am super curious, I really need to see an example of one of these videos!
- majani 4mo ago
  Hang out with some 5-10 year olds and give them control of YouTube, they'll show you within 2 minutes
- keybored 4mo ago
  The man ran into the woman. [Young adult Far East man runs into young adult Far East woman.] The woman said sorry, I am such a clutz. The man said, that’s okay. The man fell in love with the woman. The man dated the woman for many weeks. The man met the woman’s father [Tekken grandpa]. The man did not recognize the father. The man and the woman got married. Turns out that the father was actually the owner of the company where the man worked and the daughter was the heiress. The man and the woman went out for dinner.
- gregschlom 4mo ago
  Here's a representative example that my father in law (in his 70s) shared with me the other day: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs
  - taude 4mo ago
    4.2K likes. Maybe I should be generating generic AI made videos. LOL.
  - bpoyner 4mo ago
    somebody in the comments mentioned this is a point where the AI glitched out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs&t=150 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs&t=150
    - dmos62 4mo ago
      Oh, that's exactly the kind of video I was talking about.
nialv7 4mo ago
these videos are as close as we can get to plant electrodes directly in your brain's reward center, and repeatedly pressing the "reward" button. obviously not everyone is the same, but if it hits it hits hard.

by wan23 4mo ago

MichaelZuo 4mo ago

There are so many of these stories… it makes me wonder if humans in general have “general intelligence” either. Or whether it’s only a small subset who do.

sublinear 4mo ago
What people do is not well correlated with what they know. You can't reduce people to their behavior. You can reduce machines to their behavior. If you disagree, I would strongly suggest you review where else you might be making this incorrect assumption.
- MichaelZuo 4mo ago
  If you don’t assess people based on their actions… then how do you assess them? From my experience actions are easily worth thousands of times more than any other criteria.
  - sublinear 4mo ago
    Attaboy you're on the right track! We're almost in agreement. I'm saying that you cannot accurately assess people at all! All you can do is guess. But when we assess a machine, we do know everything about it based on its actions.
    - MichaelZuo 4mo ago
      This comment doesnt make sense. How is it relevant to my question, whether you think someone else agrees with you… or not? I just don’t see a reason for anyone to give you higher credibility than other HN users.
    - Timwi 4mo ago
      > But when we assess a machine, we do know everything about it based on its actions. This is obviously false. Every developer has had hour-long debugging sessions to track down a mysterious behavior. Sometimes entire teams are stumped by a technical glitch. Until the bug is found, nobody knows everything about the machine.
      - sublinear 4mo ago
        Yet the bug has a chance of eventually being discovered. If someone is determined to find it, they certainly will. You are not thinking clearly here.
- kakapo5672 4mo ago
  You can't reduce people to their behavior ... As a first approximation, why not? Behavior is generally all we have in front of us, plus any other assorted social signals. Internal mental states are invisible, as is the personal history of the individual. We might note a man beating a kitten on the sidewalk, and believe this behavior sufficient grounds to reduce this person to the category "dick", even if we remained unaware of his high intelligence, his doctoral paper on gender-inequality, and the fact his mother hates him.

jb1991 4mo ago

Now I am super curious, I really need to see an example of one of these videos!

majani 4mo ago
Hang out with some 5-10 year olds and give them control of YouTube, they'll show you within 2 minutes
keybored 4mo ago
The man ran into the woman. [Young adult Far East man runs into young adult Far East woman.] The woman said sorry, I am such a clutz. The man said, that’s okay. The man fell in love with the woman. The man dated the woman for many weeks. The man met the woman’s father [Tekken grandpa]. The man did not recognize the father. The man and the woman got married. Turns out that the father was actually the owner of the company where the man worked and the daughter was the heiress. The man and the woman went out for dinner.
gregschlom 4mo ago
Here's a representative example that my father in law (in his 70s) shared with me the other day: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs
- taude 4mo ago
  4.2K likes. Maybe I should be generating generic AI made videos. LOL.
- bpoyner 4mo ago
  somebody in the comments mentioned this is a point where the AI glitched out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs&t=150 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puRg-4ZvNYs&t=150
  - dmos62 4mo ago
    Oh, that's exactly the kind of video I was talking about.

nialv7 4mo ago

these videos are as close as we can get to plant electrodes directly in your brain's reward center, and repeatedly pressing the "reward" button. obviously not everyone is the same, but if it hits it hits hard.