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> Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you. and what if i tell you i asked

> Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you. and what if i tell you i asked stack overflow?

dbalatero 4mo ago
I mean it was always easy enough to say "Hey not quite sure but I did find this post on SO, in case it helps"
batshit_beaver 4mo ago
Back in the day, you couldn’t ask stack overflow about your specific business or project. You were forced to build at least some level of understanding of what you were doing on the job or risk your lack of knowledge being obvious (and obviously holding you back). What we’re seeing now is industrial grade ignorance that can only be observed in in-person or video meetings.
sixtyj 4mo ago
Stack overflow or Claude or Wikipedia…it doesn’t matter. We don’t usually tolerate copy-paste answers at school so why should it count at work?
- nradov 4mo ago
  Work is not school. Within certain legal and ethical constraints, at work we only care about results.
  - hoistbypetard 4mo ago
    Hard disagree. If I only cared about immediate results, I'd just ask Claude myself, sure. But I care about developing people's judgement, longer term. And if they're just parroting back what Claude says, I'm not doing that.
    - abalashov 4mo ago
      I care about developing people's judgment, longer term. You care about developing people's judgment, longer term. Does capitalism, or the managerial-business class that only sees 6 months out?
    - nradov 4mo ago
      Another approach is to refuse to hire employees with poor judgment in the first place, or rapidly terminate them if they display bad judgment after hiring.
      - hoistbypetard 4mo ago
        If you assume that good judgement is an inherent attribute that can't be developed, that might be a sensible option. I've found that it's a thing that develops over time with experience, though. And I want people I'm training to develop that skill rather than farm it out to an LLM that never gets it right.
true_religion 4mo ago
Actually that's fine. StackOverflow, Reddit, HN are or at least were populated by people. Looking to them for answers is doing a survey of best practices for a topic and will at least tell you what is popularly true. Asking AI sometimes gives you the same answer as AI is trained on these same forums, but not always. Your prompt structure and/or inference bugs (which is a lot more common in smaller providers or local hosting) can change the answer AI gives. And ofcourse, if there's low/no data, AI will still give an answer even though it's not in the safe zone.

> Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you. and what if i tell you i asked stack overflow?

dbalatero 4mo ago

I mean it was always easy enough to say "Hey not quite sure but I did find this post on SO, in case it helps"

batshit_beaver 4mo ago

Back in the day, you couldn’t ask stack overflow about your specific business or project. You were forced to build at least some level of understanding of what you were doing on the job or risk your lack of knowledge being obvious (and obviously holding you back). What we’re seeing now is industrial grade ignorance that can only be observed in in-person or video meetings.

sixtyj 4mo ago

Stack overflow or Claude or Wikipedia…it doesn’t matter. We don’t usually tolerate copy-paste answers at school so why should it count at work?

nradov 4mo ago
Work is not school. Within certain legal and ethical constraints, at work we only care about results.
- hoistbypetard 4mo ago
  Hard disagree. If I only cared about immediate results, I'd just ask Claude myself, sure. But I care about developing people's judgement, longer term. And if they're just parroting back what Claude says, I'm not doing that.
  - abalashov 4mo ago
    I care about developing people's judgment, longer term. You care about developing people's judgment, longer term. Does capitalism, or the managerial-business class that only sees 6 months out?
  - nradov 4mo ago
    Another approach is to refuse to hire employees with poor judgment in the first place, or rapidly terminate them if they display bad judgment after hiring.
    - hoistbypetard 4mo ago
      If you assume that good judgement is an inherent attribute that can't be developed, that might be a sensible option. I've found that it's a thing that develops over time with experience, though. And I want people I'm training to develop that skill rather than farm it out to an LLM that never gets it right.

true_religion 4mo ago

Actually that's fine. StackOverflow, Reddit, HN are or at least were populated by people. Looking to them for answers is doing a survey of best practices for a topic and will at least tell you what is popularly true. Asking AI sometimes gives you the same answer as AI is trained on these same forums, but not always. Your prompt structure and/or inference bugs (which is a lot more common in smaller providers or local hosting) can change the answer AI gives. And ofcourse, if there's low/no data, AI will still give an answer even though it's not in the safe zone.