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Wow. Didn't realize OAI was astroturfing hacker news now...

embedding-shape 4mo ago
All the labs astroturf all the social media, HN is not unique and OpenAI wouldn't be the only ones. I even receive offers sometimes on my email put in my HN profile, asking me to post about their project in exchange for money. Be skeptical of anything you read online, not just what you think is "obvious astroturf".
- Imustaskforhelp 4mo ago
  Wait what? Why don't I get emails like this too? /s (on a serious note, do you feel comfortable naming and shaming such companies, this is sort of a serious accusation imo and if not then how much money they are trying to give. It would be an interesting discussion and feel free to mail me if its confidential, waiting for your response and have a nice day :-D)
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    Nah, maybe one day I do a collective public post of it, for now I just try to get their company and/or name first, then forward it to HN themselves so they can ban them and keep an eye out for them.
    - Imustaskforhelp 4mo ago
      Could you give us how many companies are trying to do this and also if any of the companies are YC companies themselves or not, I imagine not but still. and what is the metric for companies sending you messages, like I have never gotten a single message (aside from one/two companies here and there and I even made a HN post about one of the companies) and what do these companies really have a metric for in terms of sending spam for? karma points, I mean emsh I remember we both had close enough about the same karmas not too long ago, surprised to see you at 13k+ karma, so good to see that but is the metric karma, hype (you had made the rust browser ..) or what exactly? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on that! I do understand the point of these companies sending mail though, I mean I can't say that if I had a company at the moment I might not do the same either, but I think that you might get frustrated too with it, so what would your recommendation be to people sending you mails in general? I would be curious to know that too!
      - embedding-shape 4mo ago
        So far just 3-4 at this point, some I guess figure out what I try to do when I ask for their company name and HN username, none of them been YC companies so far AFAIK. I don't know why they send specifically me emails, I guess either some automated system or they themselves see I spend way too much time on HN already, maybe just based on the amount of comments, I do have quite a bit of free-time :)
- svachalek 4mo ago
  Wait so you're countering an accusation of astroturfing with an actual confession? That's new.
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    Lacking reading comprehension, you can imagine me doing, confessing and saying all sorts of things :)
- WarmWash 4mo ago
  I don't think Google does, they are way too massive, disorganized, and "by the book" for something like that. Also AI isn't life or death for them. Besides they own 15% of Anthropic and cutting massive compute deals with them. On top of that they also have compute deals with OAI. Google is positioning itself to win no matter what happens, Gemini is almost looking like a side project next to their cloud business.
infecto 4mo ago
I probably wouldn’t say they always had the best model but for years OAI was definitely pushing the limits both on model quality and product offerings. It was not until the last year or so that Anthropic started punching above their weight.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  > It was not until the last year or so that Anthropic started punching above their weight. Anthropic's stuff been useful for the last two years I'd say, especially in the beginning of Claude Code, but as soon as the Codex TUI was available, I was daily-driving both of them, literally executing the same prompts for each of them and comparing the final results, and Codex simply writes better code in 9/10 cases (but still not always).
  - infecto 4mo ago
    Claude Code has only been around for a year and change. At least for our internal tests 2 years ago Anthropic models started to at least become semi-useful but they still were not great, they struggled with structured output. Prior to that their alignment strategy made the products highly unhelpful in an API context. The past 6 months to a year is where Anthropic has really shined, they have model parity and sometimes taking the lead and more importantly their product offering on the consumer side has crushed it.
    - embedding-shape 4mo ago
      > Claude Code has only been around for a year and change. We've been experimenting with "agent harnesses" way before that though, I'm sure the first time I tried building that sort of thing was in 2023 sometime with GPT3, and I'm like 80% confident I tried the same sort of TUI experience as CC from some random user before Claude Code even became public.
      - disgruntledphd2 4mo ago
        I feel like aider was the first TUI for agentic stuff I came across here, and that was well before Claude code.
arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
There are plenty of shills for all of the major labs on this website. Usually checking a history of comments of a suspicious user reveals that quite fast.
jsnell 4mo ago
The HN guidelines explicitly ask you not to make these accusations. > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

All the labs astroturf all the social media, HN is not unique and OpenAI wouldn't be the only ones. I even receive offers sometimes on my email put in my HN profile, asking me to post about their project in exchange for money. Be skeptical of anything you read online, not just what you think is "obvious astroturf".

Imustaskforhelp 4mo ago
Wait what? Why don't I get emails like this too? /s (on a serious note, do you feel comfortable naming and shaming such companies, this is sort of a serious accusation imo and if not then how much money they are trying to give. It would be an interesting discussion and feel free to mail me if its confidential, waiting for your response and have a nice day :-D)
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  Nah, maybe one day I do a collective public post of it, for now I just try to get their company and/or name first, then forward it to HN themselves so they can ban them and keep an eye out for them.
  - Imustaskforhelp 4mo ago
    Could you give us how many companies are trying to do this and also if any of the companies are YC companies themselves or not, I imagine not but still. and what is the metric for companies sending you messages, like I have never gotten a single message (aside from one/two companies here and there and I even made a HN post about one of the companies) and what do these companies really have a metric for in terms of sending spam for? karma points, I mean emsh I remember we both had close enough about the same karmas not too long ago, surprised to see you at 13k+ karma, so good to see that but is the metric karma, hype (you had made the rust browser ..) or what exactly? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on that! I do understand the point of these companies sending mail though, I mean I can't say that if I had a company at the moment I might not do the same either, but I think that you might get frustrated too with it, so what would your recommendation be to people sending you mails in general? I would be curious to know that too!
    - embedding-shape 4mo ago
      So far just 3-4 at this point, some I guess figure out what I try to do when I ask for their company name and HN username, none of them been YC companies so far AFAIK. I don't know why they send specifically me emails, I guess either some automated system or they themselves see I spend way too much time on HN already, maybe just based on the amount of comments, I do have quite a bit of free-time :)
svachalek 4mo ago
Wait so you're countering an accusation of astroturfing with an actual confession? That's new.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  Lacking reading comprehension, you can imagine me doing, confessing and saying all sorts of things :)
WarmWash 4mo ago
I don't think Google does, they are way too massive, disorganized, and "by the book" for something like that. Also AI isn't life or death for them. Besides they own 15% of Anthropic and cutting massive compute deals with them. On top of that they also have compute deals with OAI. Google is positioning itself to win no matter what happens, Gemini is almost looking like a side project next to their cloud business.

infecto 4mo ago

I probably wouldn’t say they always had the best model but for years OAI was definitely pushing the limits both on model quality and product offerings. It was not until the last year or so that Anthropic started punching above their weight.

embedding-shape 4mo ago
> It was not until the last year or so that Anthropic started punching above their weight. Anthropic's stuff been useful for the last two years I'd say, especially in the beginning of Claude Code, but as soon as the Codex TUI was available, I was daily-driving both of them, literally executing the same prompts for each of them and comparing the final results, and Codex simply writes better code in 9/10 cases (but still not always).
- infecto 4mo ago
  Claude Code has only been around for a year and change. At least for our internal tests 2 years ago Anthropic models started to at least become semi-useful but they still were not great, they struggled with structured output. Prior to that their alignment strategy made the products highly unhelpful in an API context. The past 6 months to a year is where Anthropic has really shined, they have model parity and sometimes taking the lead and more importantly their product offering on the consumer side has crushed it.
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    > Claude Code has only been around for a year and change. We've been experimenting with "agent harnesses" way before that though, I'm sure the first time I tried building that sort of thing was in 2023 sometime with GPT3, and I'm like 80% confident I tried the same sort of TUI experience as CC from some random user before Claude Code even became public.
    - disgruntledphd2 4mo ago
      I feel like aider was the first TUI for agentic stuff I came across here, and that was well before Claude code.

arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago

There are plenty of shills for all of the major labs on this website. Usually checking a history of comments of a suspicious user reveals that quite fast.

jsnell 4mo ago

The HN guidelines explicitly ask you not to make these accusations. > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.