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Its 2026... people are deliberately choosing to live in their own realities with no care about objective facts or moral choices. So weird images are a big prob

Its 2026... people are deliberately choosing to live in their own realities with no care about objective facts or moral choices. So weird images are a big problem? No they don't matter at all.

Barbing 4mo ago
Political deepfakes on the mind here more than weird stuff.
- WhatIsDukkha 4mo ago
  "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, ok? It's, like, incredible." — Donald Trump So what does a deepfake matter?
  - Barbing 4mo ago
    Are there other politicians? Do disgruntled employees have bosses? Ex partners? A national news story in the US tonight, Lyft driver caught faking photos of his messy car. Not the most intelligent fraudster as he left the Gemini logo on the corner of the image. Providing these four examples in good faith :) also generally I _dislike_ DRM
    - WhatIsDukkha 4mo ago
      Against MILLLIONS of legitimate uses which you don't seem to care to protect? You should also think about whether, suddenly, courts can now trust images they see because this technology exists? I think thats not even basically plausible.
      - spuz 4mo ago
        What are some of the millions of legitimate use cases that are harmed by having metadata added to generated images? It's funny you mention Photoshop because that software also adds metadata to jpeg images that it creates. Is the difference here that the SynthID is hidden and can't be removed?
surgical_fire 4mo ago
If they don't matter, neither does a watermark.
- WhatIsDukkha 4mo ago
  and you need the watermark to tell you the fish with the mustache is fake... What image is going to change your worldview so radically that the drm saves you? edit - to be clear you are watermarking 100,000 fishes with mustaches because of your concern over 1 image that "matters" (and you don't even have an image that matters in mind)
  - surgical_fire 4mo ago
    Yes, let's pretend they are adding watermarks because of fishes with mustaches.
  - rationalist 4mo ago
    Instead of giving you just one image "that matters", here's several that I found after a quick internet search that you can do too if you want more examples: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/openai-sora-realistic-ai-videos-ukrainian-soldiers-rcna247696 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/openai-sora-realis... https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-elections-disinformation-chatgpt-bc283e7426402f0b4baa7df280a4c3fd https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-elections... It doesn't extend to just photos, but videos too: https://x.com/shellenberger/status/2056764907262247356 https://x.com/shellenberger/status/2056764907262247356

Its 2026... people are deliberately choosing to live in their own realities with no care about objective facts or moral choices. So weird images are a big problem? No they don't matter at all.

Barbing 4mo ago

Political deepfakes on the mind here more than weird stuff.

WhatIsDukkha 4mo ago
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, ok? It's, like, incredible." — Donald Trump So what does a deepfake matter?
- Barbing 4mo ago
  Are there other politicians? Do disgruntled employees have bosses? Ex partners? A national news story in the US tonight, Lyft driver caught faking photos of his messy car. Not the most intelligent fraudster as he left the Gemini logo on the corner of the image. Providing these four examples in good faith :) also generally I _dislike_ DRM
  - WhatIsDukkha 4mo ago
    Against MILLLIONS of legitimate uses which you don't seem to care to protect? You should also think about whether, suddenly, courts can now trust images they see because this technology exists? I think thats not even basically plausible.
    - spuz 4mo ago
      What are some of the millions of legitimate use cases that are harmed by having metadata added to generated images? It's funny you mention Photoshop because that software also adds metadata to jpeg images that it creates. Is the difference here that the SynthID is hidden and can't be removed?

surgical_fire 4mo ago

If they don't matter, neither does a watermark.

WhatIsDukkha 4mo ago
and you need the watermark to tell you the fish with the mustache is fake... What image is going to change your worldview so radically that the drm saves you? edit - to be clear you are watermarking 100,000 fishes with mustaches because of your concern over 1 image that "matters" (and you don't even have an image that matters in mind)
- surgical_fire 4mo ago
  Yes, let's pretend they are adding watermarks because of fishes with mustaches.
- rationalist 4mo ago
  Instead of giving you just one image "that matters", here's several that I found after a quick internet search that you can do too if you want more examples: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/openai-sora-realistic-ai-videos-ukrainian-soldiers-rcna247696 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/openai-sora-realis... https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-elections-disinformation-chatgpt-bc283e7426402f0b4baa7df280a4c3fd https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-elections... It doesn't extend to just photos, but videos too: https://x.com/shellenberger/status/2056764907262247356 https://x.com/shellenberger/status/2056764907262247356