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Tesla still hasn't achieved their 2016 self-drive goal by their self imposed deadline of 2017, even now a decade later. So, politely, is that accolade merited?

by mjg2 4mo ago

trollbridge 4mo ago
The current vehicles sure seem to come close. I'm not entirely clear on how they've missed this goal, but the current models can do full self driving where I live, including parking.
- mjg2 4mo ago
  Sure they have improved but how do we define success? Is success "It can drive a road it has never been on?" Even then I'm not sure because the model (not the physical car) has probably scanned that road before so it is recalling a prior route while being aware of hazards. Is that learning, or rote memorization?
derangedHorse 4mo ago
How does Elon's arbitrary deadlines impact whether the accolade is "merited"? Incredible progress was made in a fairly short amount of time. His accolade isn't based on his employer's ability to predict delivery dates, they're based on the quality of the systems that are actively deployed today.
- mjg2 4mo ago
  I think an accolade's merit is based on the definition of done for work delivered. Elon certainly told the public a certain vision of self-driving (a definition of done) and it didn't come to fruition despite PR progress; i.e. a washing machine can do a lot of work, but is it the right work? We can arbitrate about what "self-driving success" means until the cows come home, but my point is I've seen a lot of self-driving failures from the Teslas I've witnessed in person.
burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
A Tesla drove coast to coast on full autopilot. My Tesla drives to walmart, finds a parking spot, comes to me outside walmart and drives me home. I've been driving my model 3 for years, and honestly, i've never had to "Take over" due to a saftey issue.
- mjg2 4mo ago
  I could never trust a Tesla to drive safely around people. They seem like death traps. Could you share a link to the coast to coast drive please? How aided was it?
  - burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
    https://x.com/karpathy/status/2006436622909452501 https://x.com/karpathy/status/2006436622909452501 How old are you if you don't mind me asking? >I could never trust a Tesla to drive safely around people. They seem like death traps. Have you ever been in a Tesla? It's literally been rated the safest car in America since it's inception.
    - mjg2 4mo ago
      That's just a man standing by his car. I'm asking for video proof, I'm sorry that wasn't clear off the bat. I also abstain from X due to Elon's track record, so I'm not going to keep searching there for it. Could you please tell me how to self serve on this? I've driven a Tesla on and off for about 4 years, and I'm thankful to never do so again. > death trap https://apnews.com/article/tesla-crash-doors-musk-regulators-accident-burning-trapped-2a710dbbb859436090e0a4cb8a7c8f4c https://apnews.com/article/tesla-crash-doors-musk-regulators... > It's literally been rated the safest car in America since it's inception. I'm locating our disconnect a bit better: something can be marked "safest car" for road tests but still be rife with issues, like its obnoxious UI choices, etc. https://www.tesladeaths.com https://www.tesladeaths.com
      - burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
        > also abstain from X due to Elon's track record I can just tell you hate eveything Elon, so this is a pointless conversation. That was a post from Karpathy, who we are all talking about in the thread, so i thought it was the most pertinent. I'm sure you can google it, it's proven, so no point arguing that it didn't happen. Obviously, since you can't even use X out of your hate for Elon, There's no way you have "Driven a Tesla on and off for four years". Thats just a lie. NHTSA has given every vehicle a 5/5, and model 3 is "The top saftey pick" of all cars for their crash test results. The safety comes from the inherent electric drives. They are much less likely to flip and much less likely to catch fire. from your Tesla Deaths, 772 deaths over hundreds of billions of miles is absolutely incredible. Do you have any data to share on Fords mile to death ratio? Do you offer any comparisons? Or are you still just hating elon, for being elon? Edit: Also, have you looked through the Tesla Deaths that you posted? A drunk driver is involved in alot of those, at no fault to the Tesla. One of the largest "Tesla Deaths" was someone driving on the wrong side of the freeway and they crashed into the tesla killing a whole family in the Tesla. How on earth are you using this slop as evidence that Tesla's are unsafe.... That's not ignorance, that's actually just evil...

Tesla still hasn't achieved their 2016 self-drive goal by their self imposed deadline of 2017, even now a decade later. So, politely, is that accolade merited?

by mjg2 4mo ago

Tesla still hasn't achieved their 2016 self-drive goal by their self imposed deadline of 2017, even now a decade later. So, politely, is that accolade merited?

trollbridge 4mo ago

The current vehicles sure seem to come close. I'm not entirely clear on how they've missed this goal, but the current models can do full self driving where I live, including parking.

mjg2 4mo ago
Sure they have improved but how do we define success? Is success "It can drive a road it has never been on?" Even then I'm not sure because the model (not the physical car) has probably scanned that road before so it is recalling a prior route while being aware of hazards. Is that learning, or rote memorization?

derangedHorse 4mo ago

How does Elon's arbitrary deadlines impact whether the accolade is "merited"? Incredible progress was made in a fairly short amount of time. His accolade isn't based on his employer's ability to predict delivery dates, they're based on the quality of the systems that are actively deployed today.

mjg2 4mo ago
I think an accolade's merit is based on the definition of done for work delivered. Elon certainly told the public a certain vision of self-driving (a definition of done) and it didn't come to fruition despite PR progress; i.e. a washing machine can do a lot of work, but is it the right work? We can arbitrate about what "self-driving success" means until the cows come home, but my point is I've seen a lot of self-driving failures from the Teslas I've witnessed in person.

burnerRhodov3 4mo ago

A Tesla drove coast to coast on full autopilot. My Tesla drives to walmart, finds a parking spot, comes to me outside walmart and drives me home. I've been driving my model 3 for years, and honestly, i've never had to "Take over" due to a saftey issue.

mjg2 4mo ago
I could never trust a Tesla to drive safely around people. They seem like death traps. Could you share a link to the coast to coast drive please? How aided was it?
- burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
  https://x.com/karpathy/status/2006436622909452501 https://x.com/karpathy/status/2006436622909452501 How old are you if you don't mind me asking? >I could never trust a Tesla to drive safely around people. They seem like death traps. Have you ever been in a Tesla? It's literally been rated the safest car in America since it's inception.
  - mjg2 4mo ago
    That's just a man standing by his car. I'm asking for video proof, I'm sorry that wasn't clear off the bat. I also abstain from X due to Elon's track record, so I'm not going to keep searching there for it. Could you please tell me how to self serve on this? I've driven a Tesla on and off for about 4 years, and I'm thankful to never do so again. > death trap https://apnews.com/article/tesla-crash-doors-musk-regulators-accident-burning-trapped-2a710dbbb859436090e0a4cb8a7c8f4c https://apnews.com/article/tesla-crash-doors-musk-regulators... > It's literally been rated the safest car in America since it's inception. I'm locating our disconnect a bit better: something can be marked "safest car" for road tests but still be rife with issues, like its obnoxious UI choices, etc. https://www.tesladeaths.com https://www.tesladeaths.com
    - burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
      > also abstain from X due to Elon's track record I can just tell you hate eveything Elon, so this is a pointless conversation. That was a post from Karpathy, who we are all talking about in the thread, so i thought it was the most pertinent. I'm sure you can google it, it's proven, so no point arguing that it didn't happen. Obviously, since you can't even use X out of your hate for Elon, There's no way you have "Driven a Tesla on and off for four years". Thats just a lie. NHTSA has given every vehicle a 5/5, and model 3 is "The top saftey pick" of all cars for their crash test results. The safety comes from the inherent electric drives. They are much less likely to flip and much less likely to catch fire. from your Tesla Deaths, 772 deaths over hundreds of billions of miles is absolutely incredible. Do you have any data to share on Fords mile to death ratio? Do you offer any comparisons? Or are you still just hating elon, for being elon? Edit: Also, have you looked through the Tesla Deaths that you posted? A drunk driver is involved in alot of those, at no fault to the Tesla. One of the largest "Tesla Deaths" was someone driving on the wrong side of the freeway and they crashed into the tesla killing a whole family in the Tesla. How on earth are you using this slop as evidence that Tesla's are unsafe.... That's not ignorance, that's actually just evil...