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The fact you are trying to use Copilot as an example here shows you don't understand how Copilot's previous billing worked. Previously they used "premium reque

The fact you are trying to use Copilot as an example here shows you don't understand how Copilot's previous billing worked. Previously they used "premium requests" which would allow you to make a request to one of the more expensive models. People abused the shit out of this because a request was disconnected from tokens. You could make one request which used tens of dollars worth of tokens, obviously not the intended usage pattern and obviously unsustainable. Tokens for a given intelligence level are becoming much cheaper very quickly, but everyone wants to use the smartest frontier models so tokens are not dirt cheap. Even frontier models are a bit cheaper in absolute terms than they previously were, and much cheaper in terms of intelligence.

hansmayer 4mo ago
> shows you don't understand how Copilot's previous billing worked Having used it for > 4 years and having paid for it for > 2.5 years, I think I know full well how it's previous billing worked. > You could make one request which used tens of dollars worth of tokens, obviously not the intended usage pattern and obviously unsustainable. Gee, thanks Mr. Obvious! It never occurred to me this was the reason Microsoft recently removed Opus 4.6 and added a 15x multiplier in front of the inferior, but less token-intensive Opus 4.7!
- ZephyrBlu 4mo ago
  Why would you extrapolate from Microsoft's very poor setup to tokens in general then if you know it's stupid and not representative?
  - hansmayer 4mo ago
    ? How TF is it not representative, if it provides interface to literally ALL the major models?? What are you talking about mate?
    - ZephyrBlu 4mo ago
      No other provider works like Copilot did with "premium requests". Usage limits (Codex/Claude Code), which are inherently linked to tokens, are the most common. Some providers like Amp charge you per-token like Copilot is moving to. Microsoft's previous model was not linked to tokens at all. Complete anomaly among coding agent providers. It's not representative of token economics at large. Claude Code recently announced increased limits. Codex does regular limit refreshes. Tokens are pretty damn abundant even though they're not bargain basement cheap yet.

hansmayer 4mo ago

> shows you don't understand how Copilot's previous billing worked Having used it for > 4 years and having paid for it for > 2.5 years, I think I know full well how it's previous billing worked. > You could make one request which used tens of dollars worth of tokens, obviously not the intended usage pattern and obviously unsustainable. Gee, thanks Mr. Obvious! It never occurred to me this was the reason Microsoft recently removed Opus 4.6 and added a 15x multiplier in front of the inferior, but less token-intensive Opus 4.7!

ZephyrBlu 4mo ago
Why would you extrapolate from Microsoft's very poor setup to tokens in general then if you know it's stupid and not representative?
- hansmayer 4mo ago
  ? How TF is it not representative, if it provides interface to literally ALL the major models?? What are you talking about mate?
  - ZephyrBlu 4mo ago
    No other provider works like Copilot did with "premium requests". Usage limits (Codex/Claude Code), which are inherently linked to tokens, are the most common. Some providers like Amp charge you per-token like Copilot is moving to. Microsoft's previous model was not linked to tokens at all. Complete anomaly among coding agent providers. It's not representative of token economics at large. Claude Code recently announced increased limits. Codex does regular limit refreshes. Tokens are pretty damn abundant even though they're not bargain basement cheap yet.