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By coincidence, I've looked yesterday a small documentary [1] about the people tagging all those invoices to train theses models. For 120 €/month they are readi

By coincidence, I've looked yesterday a small documentary [1] about the people tagging all those invoices to train theses models. For 120 €/month they are reading about 1000 to 4000 invoices per day and check and tag them for AI training. [1] https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/126831-000-A/arte-reportage/ https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/126831-000-A/arte-reportage/

Barbing 4mo ago
Were they sore about it? Or don’t tell me, if it’s well worth the 24min watch
- hommelix 4mo ago
  Oh no! The ones working at 120€/month are the happy few. This is above mid range income in Madagascar. I just wanted to point out that this is not all automated running on GPUs. There are people involved, more than I thought before viewing this video.
cantalopes 4mo ago
Reminds me of openai paying Kenyans $2/hr to flag violent and toxic stuff for them and a bunch of people ending up with ptsd
- madbkarim 4mo ago
  Source? Curious to know more.
  - esseph 4mo ago
    There's tons of articles all over Google about this, it's not exactly hidden knowledge hoarded by this HN poster. Example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/18/why-former-facebook-moderators-in-kenya-are-taking-legal-action https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/18/why-former-fac...
  - intended 4mo ago
    > https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-kenyan-contract-workers-label-toxic-content-chatgpt-training-report-2023-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-kenyan-contract-worke... > https://www.wsj.com/tech/chatgpt-openai-content-abusive-sexually-explicit-harassment-kenya-workers-on-human-workers-cf191483 https://www.wsj.com/tech/chatgpt-openai-content-abusive-sexu... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZS50KXjAX0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZS50KXjAX0 > https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-66514287 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-66514287 > https://www.vice.com/en/article/openai-used-kenyan-workers-making-dollar2-an-hour-to-filter-traumatic-content-from-chatgpt/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/openai-used-kenyan-workers-m...
  - iamflimflam1 4mo ago
    https://www.thebrink.me/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-inside-ai-hidden-human-trauma/ https://www.thebrink.me/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-inside-ai-...
- iamflimflam1 4mo ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/02/ai-chatbot-training-human-toll-content-moderator-meta-openai https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/02/ai-chatbo...
- hommelix 4mo ago
  In that video over Madagascar, the lowest tier jobs on AI tagging is at 1 €/3h of tagging, beating the Kenyan price.
- LazyGooze 4mo ago
  or the amazon store with no check-out having indians monitoring you via cameras to build your checkout bill as you out items in your shopping cart
  - projektfu 4mo ago
    I wonder what Sam's club is doing because their checker is using some sort of video based pre-check and sometimes they don't need to check you at all. Still, everything is scanned ahead of time by you or the cashier. Once I did forget to scan an item and they noticed.
wiseowise 4mo ago
> For 120 €/month they are reading about 1000 to 4000 invoices per day and check and tag them for AI training. AGI will solve poverty, btw. Any second now. Just need 500 bil more bro.
elric 4mo ago
OCR based invoice recognition has been a solved problem for well over a decade. Source: I've consulted for a company doing that. No exploitation. No LLMs. Just clever engineering. In my neck of the woods, B2B invoices are now required to be delivered over the Peppol network in UBL format, which further improves reliability. Doesn't necessarily eliminate the need for an accountant, because the chosen UBL standard has lots of room for interpretation and ambiguity, and it's impossible to uniformly decide how process an invoice based on the invoice alone (e.g. is this deductible? is this even a business expense at all? which ledger should this go in? etc).
- invoicenav 4mo ago
  [flagged]
sph 4mo ago
AI: Actual Indians^WMalagasy
clbrmbr 4mo ago
Thanks was a good watch. Sad though the example of the AI app to “help farmers” that is making things up. I would expect a generational cassava farmer to have a much better sense of how to treat the plants than an image model.

Barbing 4mo ago

Were they sore about it? Or don’t tell me, if it’s well worth the 24min watch

hommelix 4mo ago
Oh no! The ones working at 120€/month are the happy few. This is above mid range income in Madagascar. I just wanted to point out that this is not all automated running on GPUs. There are people involved, more than I thought before viewing this video.

cantalopes 4mo ago

Reminds me of openai paying Kenyans $2/hr to flag violent and toxic stuff for them and a bunch of people ending up with ptsd

madbkarim 4mo ago
Source? Curious to know more.
- esseph 4mo ago
  There's tons of articles all over Google about this, it's not exactly hidden knowledge hoarded by this HN poster. Example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/18/why-former-facebook-moderators-in-kenya-are-taking-legal-action https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/18/why-former-fac...
- intended 4mo ago
  > https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-kenyan-contract-workers-label-toxic-content-chatgpt-training-report-2023-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-kenyan-contract-worke... > https://www.wsj.com/tech/chatgpt-openai-content-abusive-sexually-explicit-harassment-kenya-workers-on-human-workers-cf191483 https://www.wsj.com/tech/chatgpt-openai-content-abusive-sexu... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZS50KXjAX0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZS50KXjAX0 > https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-66514287 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-66514287 > https://www.vice.com/en/article/openai-used-kenyan-workers-making-dollar2-an-hour-to-filter-traumatic-content-from-chatgpt/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/openai-used-kenyan-workers-m...
- iamflimflam1 4mo ago
  https://www.thebrink.me/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-inside-ai-hidden-human-trauma/ https://www.thebrink.me/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-inside-ai-...
iamflimflam1 4mo ago
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/02/ai-chatbot-training-human-toll-content-moderator-meta-openai https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/02/ai-chatbo...
hommelix 4mo ago
In that video over Madagascar, the lowest tier jobs on AI tagging is at 1 €/3h of tagging, beating the Kenyan price.
LazyGooze 4mo ago
or the amazon store with no check-out having indians monitoring you via cameras to build your checkout bill as you out items in your shopping cart
- projektfu 4mo ago
  I wonder what Sam's club is doing because their checker is using some sort of video based pre-check and sometimes they don't need to check you at all. Still, everything is scanned ahead of time by you or the cashier. Once I did forget to scan an item and they noticed.

wiseowise 4mo ago

> For 120 €/month they are reading about 1000 to 4000 invoices per day and check and tag them for AI training. AGI will solve poverty, btw. Any second now. Just need 500 bil more bro.

elric 4mo ago

OCR based invoice recognition has been a solved problem for well over a decade. Source: I've consulted for a company doing that. No exploitation. No LLMs. Just clever engineering. In my neck of the woods, B2B invoices are now required to be delivered over the Peppol network in UBL format, which further improves reliability. Doesn't necessarily eliminate the need for an accountant, because the chosen UBL standard has lots of room for interpretation and ambiguity, and it's impossible to uniformly decide how process an invoice based on the invoice alone (e.g. is this deductible? is this even a business expense at all? which ledger should this go in? etc).

invoicenav 4mo ago
[flagged]

sph 4mo ago

AI: Actual Indians^WMalagasy

clbrmbr 4mo ago

Thanks was a good watch. Sad though the example of the AI app to “help farmers” that is making things up. I would expect a generational cassava farmer to have a much better sense of how to treat the plants than an image model.