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What is your comment adding to this discussion? Do you want to say, that a specific small group of people are positive about a surge in energy costs? How does

What is your comment adding to this discussion? Do you want to say, that a specific small group of people are positive about a surge in energy costs? How does that reflect your acceptance of the overall climate change topic you are referencing? You do not believe in it? Or do you believe in it but you do not care? Like the latest AMOC paper doesn't bother you in particular? Am I a climate activist if i think its very bad on one side but at least pushes more people into independent reneable energy sources? What do you think about the thing that Trump, the Clown of the USA, is directly responsible for it? Do you think Trump is a climate activist?

baggy_trough 4mo ago
I just think it's amusing that this is presented as a very bad thing in the context of Trump, but it's what climate activists have been seeking (only more so). When climate activists pursue this goal, it's presented as a laudable self sacrifice we must accept.
- AntiUSAbah 4mo ago
  Because there is a gigantic difference between "I will now change the lives of everyone on the planet just because and in a very short period of time without thinking about any long term goals or consequences" vs. "we want the planet to be habital for our children and for everyone affected by this, lets start pushing for investing into renewable energy instead of just burning fossil fuels". Even tarifs in general are not necessarily a bad idea, its a horrendes bad idea if you wiggle your thumb around, guess numbers from 0-100 and higher, let that be printed on a piece of cardboard and present it to the world as the current leader of the biggest co2 producer and military power on the whole planet affecting suddenly everyone. You do see the issue i hope?
- yifanl 4mo ago
  Climate activists, as a whole, have not been able to materially affect costs positively or negatively, in any sector other than maybe TED talks and documentaries.
  - baggy_trough 4mo ago
    Would that you were speaking the truth for residents of California!
- esseph 4mo ago
  Reduction of fossil fuels is a good thing, but the "how" and "why" and "when" matter a lot. This nonsense never should have happened. This was dumb as fuck.
wing-_-nuts 4mo ago
You're wasting your breath. It took me a long time to realize that folks on the other side of the isle had fully bought into the 'maximal short term interest' ideology of the business community. I no longer have very much to say to them at all.

baggy_trough 4mo ago

I just think it's amusing that this is presented as a very bad thing in the context of Trump, but it's what climate activists have been seeking (only more so). When climate activists pursue this goal, it's presented as a laudable self sacrifice we must accept.

AntiUSAbah 4mo ago
Because there is a gigantic difference between "I will now change the lives of everyone on the planet just because and in a very short period of time without thinking about any long term goals or consequences" vs. "we want the planet to be habital for our children and for everyone affected by this, lets start pushing for investing into renewable energy instead of just burning fossil fuels". Even tarifs in general are not necessarily a bad idea, its a horrendes bad idea if you wiggle your thumb around, guess numbers from 0-100 and higher, let that be printed on a piece of cardboard and present it to the world as the current leader of the biggest co2 producer and military power on the whole planet affecting suddenly everyone. You do see the issue i hope?
yifanl 4mo ago
Climate activists, as a whole, have not been able to materially affect costs positively or negatively, in any sector other than maybe TED talks and documentaries.
- baggy_trough 4mo ago
  Would that you were speaking the truth for residents of California!
esseph 4mo ago
Reduction of fossil fuels is a good thing, but the "how" and "why" and "when" matter a lot. This nonsense never should have happened. This was dumb as fuck.

wing-_-nuts 4mo ago

You're wasting your breath. It took me a long time to realize that folks on the other side of the isle had fully bought into the 'maximal short term interest' ideology of the business community. I no longer have very much to say to them at all.