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I would think Police unions would probably gladly accept. higher pay for more accountability. It feels like accountability sheltering is a deal with the devil t

by wnc3141 4mo ago

I would think Police unions would probably gladly accept. higher pay for more accountability. It feels like accountability sheltering is a deal with the devil that cities made.

pc86 4mo ago
You've never negotiated with a union rep on anything, have you? You pay every beat cop in the country $1 million/yr and they would never agree to the level of accountability most people expect. Independent review of actions by someone outside the chain of command? Unpaid leave when you're under investigation? At-will employment? Raises and promotions based on skill, not seniority? Random, immediate, and pass-fail physical, psychological, and marksmanship tests? Most of these seem completely reasonable to most people and if you said even one of them in a contract negotiation the first order of business by the union rep would be to remove you from contract negotiation.
- TheScaryOne 4mo ago
  >you said even one of them in a contract negotiation the first order of business by the union rep would be to remove you from contract negotiation. You can do the same thing by saying "jury nullification" during the jury duty selection process. You can watch BOTH lawyers scramble to kick you out of the room.
  - fwipsy 4mo ago
    To be fair, this may be not because you know about it, but because you're the sort of person to bring it up unsolicited.
  - pc86 4mo ago
    Serious question: why would a defense attorney want to kick off the one crazy juror who brings up jury nullification during voir dire?
- fwipsy 4mo ago
  > You've never negotiated with a union rep on anything, have you? To be fair, how many people can say they have?
dacops 4mo ago
Cops are already paid very, very highly and should be held accountable. Cops don't take accountability and do take the pay, so your thesis is pretty well tested and didn't work.

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I would think Police unions would probably gladly accept. higher pay for more accountability. It feels like accountability sheltering is a deal with the devil t

by wnc3141 4mo ago

I would think Police unions would probably gladly accept. higher pay for more accountability. It feels like accountability sheltering is a deal with the devil that cities made.

pc86 4mo ago
You've never negotiated with a union rep on anything, have you? You pay every beat cop in the country $1 million/yr and they would never agree to the level of accountability most people expect. Independent review of actions by someone outside the chain of command? Unpaid leave when you're under investigation? At-will employment? Raises and promotions based on skill, not seniority? Random, immediate, and pass-fail physical, psychological, and marksmanship tests? Most of these seem completely reasonable to most people and if you said even one of them in a contract negotiation the first order of business by the union rep would be to remove you from contract negotiation.
- TheScaryOne 4mo ago
  >you said even one of them in a contract negotiation the first order of business by the union rep would be to remove you from contract negotiation. You can do the same thing by saying "jury nullification" during the jury duty selection process. You can watch BOTH lawyers scramble to kick you out of the room.
  - fwipsy 4mo ago
    To be fair, this may be not because you know about it, but because you're the sort of person to bring it up unsolicited.
  - pc86 4mo ago
    Serious question: why would a defense attorney want to kick off the one crazy juror who brings up jury nullification during voir dire?
- fwipsy 4mo ago
  > You've never negotiated with a union rep on anything, have you? To be fair, how many people can say they have?
dacops 4mo ago
Cops are already paid very, very highly and should be held accountable. Cops don't take accountability and do take the pay, so your thesis is pretty well tested and didn't work.