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You have been authoring HTML by hand for decades. Not every SWE is a FE dev.
by laurels-marts 4mo ago
You have been authoring HTML by hand for decades. Not every SWE is a FE dev.
- AlecBG 4mo agoJava engineers write lots of HTML in java docs:)
- Tomte 4mo agoYes so far, but it‘s switching heavily towards Markdown.
- austin-cheney 4mo agoMost front end devs can’t get HTML right either.
- embedding-shape 4mo agoModern JS/TS devs probably not, but I wouldn't even call someone a "frontend dev" if you don't know HTML, kind of being a infrastructure engineer and not knowing how any OSes work.
- austin-cheney 4mo agoIt’s not just knowing HTML as in writing a bunch div tags and patting yourself on the back. If you aren’t able to achieve at least 80% WCAG AA compliance you can’t write HTML. Most frontend devs have no idea what any of that means. But then it seems everyone who can write 3 lines of code professionally refers to themselves as an ”engineer”.
- embedding-shape 4mo agoYes, it's literally about being able to use HTML effectively and knowing what you are doing, then you know HTML. I'm not sure why you bring up some arbitrary accessibility guidelines, that has no bearing if someone is using HTML correctly and neither would I gatekeep the "frontend" label on some arbitrary "must pass this particular standard", never heard something so outlandish when it comes to who could call themselves frontend developer or not.
- austin-cheney 4mo agoI suspect this unintentionally satisfies my conclusion.
- embedding-shape 4mo agoOnly if you're willfully ignorant of the wider discussion.
- austin-cheney 4mo agoObviously. Me having technical knowledge you appear to not have on the discussion at hand makes me ignorant of the discussion at hand.
- temporallobe 4mo agoThis is shockingly true. Most newer FE devs I have encountered are mostly trained on the popular frameworks and lack understanding of the underlying fundamentals, e.g., they only know TypeScript + SCSS and some smattering of HTML but more often know whatever templating engine and MVC(ish) backend the framework uses. It’s really helpful to understand what the browser is actually doing and all the “stuff” the framework spits out on the other end.
- ffsm8 4mo agoPeople have been authoring html by hand for a long time before the specialization to Frontend dev even existed...
- F7F7F7 4mo agoI learned HTML 20+ years ago in high school. I did not go to a front end high school.
- antonvs 4mo agoYour high school taught you a front-end markup format. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea to someone at the time.
- graemep 4mo agoSimple HTML is easy to do. If you just want a document with information and it does not need lots of branding and great aesthetics. That is what you are looking at as an alternative to Markdown.
- radicalbyte 4mo agoYou don't have to be a FE dev (which is largely a junior/mid-level position anno 2026) to write HTML. I'm not and I've used it for years. With Markdown being a thing that has been less common, sure, but that's more of a zeitgeist thing.
- jameshart 4mo agoHTML was invented for physicists to be able to write papers. It's not something that's beyond anyone without frontend dev experience. CSS, on the other hand...