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Those rules around special gasoline were made when both federal and California car exhaust regulations were much looser than today, and electric cars were a com

Those rules around special gasoline were made when both federal and California car exhaust regulations were much looser than today, and electric cars were a complete pipe dream. I've seen estimates ranging for savings from $.25 to $1 per gallon if California dropped the requirements. >Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Nice appeal to emotion.

hparadiz 4mo ago
It's more emotional to drop an important regulation over a dollar. I was already paying $5 for premium before all this and now it's $5.75. Big deal. I'd rather have clearer skies.
jshen 4mo ago
You didn't really address his main point. Will this lead to higher levels of pollution that will have real health consequences? Oddly you suggest it's not valid to raise concerns around health consequences.
theturtle 4mo ago
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annoyingnoob 4mo ago
You obviously never loved through LA Smog. You never had to stay inside or skip school because the air was too dirty to breathe. Take a look at how it was: https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg Cars may burn cleaner but they still burn, and there are more of them than ever. Easing economic pain in exchange for health pain is nonsensical. Breathe from your own tailpipe if its no big deal.
annoyingnoob 4mo ago
How does ignoring real harm help? Because it cost you less? https://www.clarity.io/blog/how-air-pollution-affects-children https://www.clarity.io/blog/how-air-pollution-affects-childr... https://www.clarity.io/blog/a-closer-look-at-los-angeles-infamous-summer-smog-what-drives-this-air-pollution-phenomenon https://www.clarity.io/blog/a-closer-look-at-los-angeles-inf... "Poor air quality does not affect all parts of LA equally. Communities of color and low-income residents are disproportionately impacted by polluted air. In certain areas, traffic-related emissions, including nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and benzene concentrations, are up to 60% higher. A study led by UCLA found that the air in disadvantaged neighborhoods contained not only more fine particulate matter, but also more toxic particulates as well. Places facing the most socioeconomic disadvantages “experience about 65% higher toxicity than people in the most advantaged group,” according to Suzanne Paulson, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and the senior author of the study. These same groups often have less access to health care and good nutrition, putting them at an even greater health risk. Everyone deserves to breathe clean air, and communities of color and low-income residents are unfortunately facing the worst of LA’s notorious smog." Saving a buck at the expense of someone with no control of their situation is a choice. https://ifunny.co/picture/yes-the-planet-got-destroyed-but-for-a-beautiful-moment-pnN6YGmz9?s=cl https://ifunny.co/picture/yes-the-planet-got-destroyed-but-f...

hparadiz 4mo ago

It's more emotional to drop an important regulation over a dollar. I was already paying $5 for premium before all this and now it's $5.75. Big deal. I'd rather have clearer skies.

jshen 4mo ago

You didn't really address his main point. Will this lead to higher levels of pollution that will have real health consequences? Oddly you suggest it's not valid to raise concerns around health consequences.

theturtle 4mo ago

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annoyingnoob 4mo ago

You obviously never loved through LA Smog. You never had to stay inside or skip school because the air was too dirty to breathe. Take a look at how it was: https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg Cars may burn cleaner but they still burn, and there are more of them than ever. Easing economic pain in exchange for health pain is nonsensical. Breathe from your own tailpipe if its no big deal.

annoyingnoob 4mo ago

How does ignoring real harm help? Because it cost you less? https://www.clarity.io/blog/how-air-pollution-affects-children https://www.clarity.io/blog/how-air-pollution-affects-childr... https://www.clarity.io/blog/a-closer-look-at-los-angeles-infamous-summer-smog-what-drives-this-air-pollution-phenomenon https://www.clarity.io/blog/a-closer-look-at-los-angeles-inf... "Poor air quality does not affect all parts of LA equally. Communities of color and low-income residents are disproportionately impacted by polluted air. In certain areas, traffic-related emissions, including nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and benzene concentrations, are up to 60% higher. A study led by UCLA found that the air in disadvantaged neighborhoods contained not only more fine particulate matter, but also more toxic particulates as well. Places facing the most socioeconomic disadvantages “experience about 65% higher toxicity than people in the most advantaged group,” according to Suzanne Paulson, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and the senior author of the study. These same groups often have less access to health care and good nutrition, putting them at an even greater health risk. Everyone deserves to breathe clean air, and communities of color and low-income residents are unfortunately facing the worst of LA’s notorious smog." Saving a buck at the expense of someone with no control of their situation is a choice. https://ifunny.co/picture/yes-the-planet-got-destroyed-but-for-a-beautiful-moment-pnN6YGmz9?s=cl https://ifunny.co/picture/yes-the-planet-got-destroyed-but-f...