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Doesn't Tesla have a factory in China?

by sampton 4mo ago

SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
They do. The Chinese government gave them a special exemption, presumably because they wanted to build EV manufacturing expertise. Other foreign auto companies are not allowed to open their own factories in China; they have to do a joint venture with a local manufacturer.
- Barbing 4mo ago
  >presumably because they wanted to build EV manufacturing expertise Worked with Apple!
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NickC25 4mo ago
They do. Because Elon is proving himself to be quite an idiot. China was more than happy to welcome him in, and have him teach them how to build an EV. They simply copied what they could and improved on it. "The communists will happily sell the capitalists the rope the capitalists hang themselves with"
- threethirtytwo 4mo ago
  It’s other capitalists that stole the tech. China is a country of capitalists living under a communist regime.
  - mghackerlady 4mo ago
    capitalists the communists put up with because it's better for communism in the long run
    - consumer451 4mo ago
      > it's better for communism in the long run "Communism" is a theoretical concept. The CCP is what they are protecting, an authoritarian power structure.
      - mghackerlady 4mo ago
        the CCP exists to build communism
        consumer451 4mo ago
        I mean, that's the marketing material. Once Xi declared himself emperor for life, that marketing material fell apart a bit, didn't it? How is modern China even close to theoretical "communism?" It's certainly not Marxist, right?
        mghackerlady 4mo ago
        it follows marxist principles and is building towards communism, which isn't overnight. It's currently in a socialist stage. Also, Xi is closer to the captain of a ship rather than an absolute monarch. He has a lot of power, yes, but that's because the party trusts him, not because he demands it
        consumer451 4mo ago
        In the age of Mao, wasn't it closer to Marxism? There are more billionaires in China now, then there were back then. By that I mean, the wealth disparity in China is at an all-time high now, is it not? Xi removed the 2-term limit from his own position, and has been doing an excellent job at consolidating his power base, through all means necessary. Disclaimer: I believe that pure "capitalism" and pure "communism" are marketing terms which both lead to authoritarianism, aka the "Horseshoe Theory of politics." To me, the natural end-state, if we survive the extremists is Social Democracy. However, it's boring and everyone appears to find the extremes far more exciting.
- mort96 4mo ago
  BYD has been making batteries since '95, cars since '05, plug-in hybrids since '08 and EVs since '09. I don't doubt that China may have made use of Musk, but I severely doubt he's the one who "taught them how to build an EV". If you think China can only make stuff by copying what other does, you're gonna under-estimate them.
- cyberax 4mo ago
  The timing doesn't line up. BYD has already been selling EVs by the time Tesla opened a factory in China. Heck, they were selling EVs even before _Tesla_ existed. And they clearly have their own expertise. There are videos of BYD and Tesla car teardowns, and you can see that they quite differ in design philosophies. I think China was more interested in creating more competition internally, rather than just ripping off the technology.

Doesn't Tesla have a factory in China?

by sampton 4mo ago

Doesn't Tesla have a factory in China?

They do. The Chinese government gave them a special exemption, presumably because they wanted to build EV manufacturing expertise. Other foreign auto companies are not allowed to open their own factories in China; they have to do a joint venture with a local manufacturer.

Barbing 4mo ago
>presumably because they wanted to build EV manufacturing expertise Worked with Apple!
- deleted 4mo ago
  [deleted]

NickC25 4mo ago

They do. Because Elon is proving himself to be quite an idiot. China was more than happy to welcome him in, and have him teach them how to build an EV. They simply copied what they could and improved on it. "The communists will happily sell the capitalists the rope the capitalists hang themselves with"

threethirtytwo 4mo ago
It’s other capitalists that stole the tech. China is a country of capitalists living under a communist regime.
- mghackerlady 4mo ago
  capitalists the communists put up with because it's better for communism in the long run
  - consumer451 4mo ago
    > it's better for communism in the long run "Communism" is a theoretical concept. The CCP is what they are protecting, an authoritarian power structure.
    - mghackerlady 4mo ago
      the CCP exists to build communism
      - consumer451 4mo ago
        I mean, that's the marketing material. Once Xi declared himself emperor for life, that marketing material fell apart a bit, didn't it? How is modern China even close to theoretical "communism?" It's certainly not Marxist, right?
        mghackerlady 4mo ago
        it follows marxist principles and is building towards communism, which isn't overnight. It's currently in a socialist stage. Also, Xi is closer to the captain of a ship rather than an absolute monarch. He has a lot of power, yes, but that's because the party trusts him, not because he demands it
        consumer451 4mo ago
        In the age of Mao, wasn't it closer to Marxism? There are more billionaires in China now, then there were back then. By that I mean, the wealth disparity in China is at an all-time high now, is it not? Xi removed the 2-term limit from his own position, and has been doing an excellent job at consolidating his power base, through all means necessary. Disclaimer: I believe that pure "capitalism" and pure "communism" are marketing terms which both lead to authoritarianism, aka the "Horseshoe Theory of politics." To me, the natural end-state, if we survive the extremists is Social Democracy. However, it's boring and everyone appears to find the extremes far more exciting.
mort96 4mo ago
BYD has been making batteries since '95, cars since '05, plug-in hybrids since '08 and EVs since '09. I don't doubt that China may have made use of Musk, but I severely doubt he's the one who "taught them how to build an EV". If you think China can only make stuff by copying what other does, you're gonna under-estimate them.
cyberax 4mo ago
The timing doesn't line up. BYD has already been selling EVs by the time Tesla opened a factory in China. Heck, they were selling EVs even before _Tesla_ existed. And they clearly have their own expertise. There are videos of BYD and Tesla car teardowns, and you can see that they quite differ in design philosophies. I think China was more interested in creating more competition internally, rather than just ripping off the technology.