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An amusing quip, but since you brought Neil up- his takes on veganism are generally disappointing and facile.

by moondance 5mo ago

rjh29 5mo ago
As are his takes on almost everything.
- the_af 5mo ago
  That's a very broad claim. Can you elaborate?
  - rjh29 5mo ago
    Two things. He's obviously an expert in astrophysics but his explanations are condescending and "well actually", like he is trying to convince you how smart he is. That's given him a reputation as a blowhard online. Outside of that field, his takes are your typical "genius in one thing believes he's a genius in everything". Someone even made a list of his mistakes: https://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2016/01/fact-checking-neil-degrasse-tyson.html https://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2016/01/fact-checking-neil... One of his tweets that HN will love: "Obama authorized North Korea sanctions over cyber hacking. Solution there, it seems to me, is to create unhackable systems."
    - the_af 5mo ago
      Thanks for the list! I agree that the fundamental thing here is: > "genius in one thing believes he's a genius in everything" No disagreement here, and sadly I think this is an unfortunate part of human nature. Other than that, I'd say the person who wrote that list has a beef with Tyson, there's a mix between honest mistakes and debatable things, a lot of nitpicking (with a dose of cherry-picking), and ultimately this doesn't prove that "most of [Tyson's] takes" are mistaken. I agree that some things he says are dumb (like the cybersecurity tweet you mentioned) but I wouldn't dwell too much on them. "Cosmos", in all of its incarnations, is amazing. Of course, I'm not arguing the script is his, but his delivery and screen presence are solid. I see Tyson commented on that blog, and some of what he says makes sense (e.g. picking on his colloquial use of "exponential" seems a bit mean spirited, though he could have been more precise; some people misunderstand the spirit of his comments on scifi movies; etc). In general, his replies in that blog to what at some points amounted to personal attacks left me the impression that Tyson knows how to gracefully and politely handle flamebait.
      - rjh29 5mo ago
        I did not notice he commented on the blog so thanks for pointing it out. His response was impressive I agree, he has matured. You can see that from his initial response to the Bush quote (claiming his memory is infallible, and then condescendingly talking about "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" when the burden of proof is on HIM) vs. his comment where he said he'd made "inexcusable errors" Full disclosure I'm not American so my main exposure to this guy is his tweets and occasional Reddit threads about how much they hate him.
        the_af 5mo ago
        I'm also not American (well, I am South American), and I wouldn't count Reddit threats about how much people hate someone else as evidence of anything (other than Reddit being Reddit) :) Some of the comments in that blog, pushing back against the blog post, say more or less what I think about this. > my main exposure to this guy is his tweets In that case, I wholeheartedly recommend the sequels to Sagan's "Cosmos", "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" and "Cosmos: Possible Worlds". I think they have the potential to make you like Tyson!
- dennis_jeeves2 5mo ago
  True, the guy is has somewhat banal views. Guess he still has an audience.
  - the_af 5mo ago
    > the guy is has somewhat banal views ...on some things, because he's only human, and some pretty solid views on other things :)

An amusing quip, but since you brought Neil up- his takes on veganism are generally disappointing and facile.

rjh29 5mo ago

As are his takes on almost everything.

the_af 5mo ago
That's a very broad claim. Can you elaborate?
- rjh29 5mo ago
  Two things. He's obviously an expert in astrophysics but his explanations are condescending and "well actually", like he is trying to convince you how smart he is. That's given him a reputation as a blowhard online. Outside of that field, his takes are your typical "genius in one thing believes he's a genius in everything". Someone even made a list of his mistakes: https://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2016/01/fact-checking-neil-degrasse-tyson.html https://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2016/01/fact-checking-neil... One of his tweets that HN will love: "Obama authorized North Korea sanctions over cyber hacking. Solution there, it seems to me, is to create unhackable systems."
  - the_af 5mo ago
    Thanks for the list! I agree that the fundamental thing here is: > "genius in one thing believes he's a genius in everything" No disagreement here, and sadly I think this is an unfortunate part of human nature. Other than that, I'd say the person who wrote that list has a beef with Tyson, there's a mix between honest mistakes and debatable things, a lot of nitpicking (with a dose of cherry-picking), and ultimately this doesn't prove that "most of [Tyson's] takes" are mistaken. I agree that some things he says are dumb (like the cybersecurity tweet you mentioned) but I wouldn't dwell too much on them. "Cosmos", in all of its incarnations, is amazing. Of course, I'm not arguing the script is his, but his delivery and screen presence are solid. I see Tyson commented on that blog, and some of what he says makes sense (e.g. picking on his colloquial use of "exponential" seems a bit mean spirited, though he could have been more precise; some people misunderstand the spirit of his comments on scifi movies; etc). In general, his replies in that blog to what at some points amounted to personal attacks left me the impression that Tyson knows how to gracefully and politely handle flamebait.
    - rjh29 5mo ago
      I did not notice he commented on the blog so thanks for pointing it out. His response was impressive I agree, he has matured. You can see that from his initial response to the Bush quote (claiming his memory is infallible, and then condescendingly talking about "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" when the burden of proof is on HIM) vs. his comment where he said he'd made "inexcusable errors" Full disclosure I'm not American so my main exposure to this guy is his tweets and occasional Reddit threads about how much they hate him.
      - the_af 5mo ago
        I'm also not American (well, I am South American), and I wouldn't count Reddit threats about how much people hate someone else as evidence of anything (other than Reddit being Reddit) :) Some of the comments in that blog, pushing back against the blog post, say more or less what I think about this. > my main exposure to this guy is his tweets In that case, I wholeheartedly recommend the sequels to Sagan's "Cosmos", "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" and "Cosmos: Possible Worlds". I think they have the potential to make you like Tyson!
dennis_jeeves2 5mo ago
True, the guy is has somewhat banal views. Guess he still has an audience.
- the_af 5mo ago
  > the guy is has somewhat banal views ...on some things, because he's only human, and some pretty solid views on other things :)