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There's nothing particularly interesting about that. Linux distro-of-your-choice can run the equivalents fine, as can Windows. Browse /r/macos if you dare to w

by p_ing 5mo ago

There's nothing particularly interesting about that. Linux distro-of-your-choice can run the equivalents fine, as can Windows. Browse /r/macos if you dare to wade into the uninformed cesspool; it's full of OOTB apps causing OOMs (among 3rd party apps) with the past at least two major versions of macOS.

jdiff 5mo ago
I think there is something interesting there. I was running lighter workloads on similar RAM when I daily drove Debian and was frequently brought to my knees by swapping to death. I had to make conscious choices and manage my RAM usage to avoid it, and still occasionally got T-boned by something I overlooked. I have never had to worry about that with macOS. I admit I don't have much experience with how Windows handles constrained memory since XP, and XP was abysmal at it just by virtue of being far more bloated than an equivalent Linux distro. It's certainly far more bloated nowadays, but maybe it handles memory pressure better. None of this should be construed to say that macOS doesn't have serious issues or that it's not in dire need of a Snow Leopard-esque "0 new features" release. That's tangential to its memory handling, where I haven't seen the issues you describe.
- p_ing 5mo ago
  Even NT4 handles memory pressure than modern day Linux. It's just not a fair comparison; Linux has never dealt with userspace OOM well. As for macOS... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1njf1aj/bravo_apple_the_new_calculator_even_has_a_memory/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1njf1aj/bravo_apple_... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1nxh08n/impressive_memory_leak_on_tahoe_2601/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1nxh08n/impressive_m... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1jo5pnq/passwords_app_taking_109gb_of_memory/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1jo5pnq/passwords_ap... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1gkwxe4/how_is_memory_leak_still_a_thing_in_2024_that_too/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1gkwxe4/how_is_memor... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1seq0ij/freeform_has_a_memory_leak/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1seq0ij/freeform_has... There are _plenty_ more. There is some fundamental library leaking given the range of impacted apps.
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  - sgt 5mo ago
    Seeing there are thousands running those apps (incl. Freeform) without memory leaks, it could be something else at play here.
    - p_ing 5mo ago
      It's quite clearly a bug and likely not one easy to diagnose or reproduce given the length of time the bug has remained in macOS. Or a fix would be a drastic breaking change. Or Apple doesn't really care, though I doubt that's the case.
      - saagarjha 5mo ago
        It seems rather easy to diagnose actually any of those users could use the heap profiling tools that ship with the OS

by p_ing 5mo ago

jdiff 5mo ago

I think there is something interesting there. I was running lighter workloads on similar RAM when I daily drove Debian and was frequently brought to my knees by swapping to death. I had to make conscious choices and manage my RAM usage to avoid it, and still occasionally got T-boned by something I overlooked. I have never had to worry about that with macOS. I admit I don't have much experience with how Windows handles constrained memory since XP, and XP was abysmal at it just by virtue of being far more bloated than an equivalent Linux distro. It's certainly far more bloated nowadays, but maybe it handles memory pressure better. None of this should be construed to say that macOS doesn't have serious issues or that it's not in dire need of a Snow Leopard-esque "0 new features" release. That's tangential to its memory handling, where I haven't seen the issues you describe.

p_ing 5mo ago
Even NT4 handles memory pressure than modern day Linux. It's just not a fair comparison; Linux has never dealt with userspace OOM well. As for macOS... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1njf1aj/bravo_apple_the_new_calculator_even_has_a_memory/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1njf1aj/bravo_apple_... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1nxh08n/impressive_memory_leak_on_tahoe_2601/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1nxh08n/impressive_m... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1jo5pnq/passwords_app_taking_109gb_of_memory/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1jo5pnq/passwords_ap... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1gkwxe4/how_is_memory_leak_still_a_thing_in_2024_that_too/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1gkwxe4/how_is_memor... https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1seq0ij/freeform_has_a_memory_leak/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1seq0ij/freeform_has... There are _plenty_ more. There is some fundamental library leaking given the range of impacted apps.
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- sgt 5mo ago
  Seeing there are thousands running those apps (incl. Freeform) without memory leaks, it could be something else at play here.
  - p_ing 5mo ago
    It's quite clearly a bug and likely not one easy to diagnose or reproduce given the length of time the bug has remained in macOS. Or a fix would be a drastic breaking change. Or Apple doesn't really care, though I doubt that's the case.
    - saagarjha 5mo ago
      It seems rather easy to diagnose actually any of those users could use the heap profiling tools that ship with the OS