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Grok is as progressive as any of the other models. Despite some of the highly-publicised fuck-ups, try asking Grok anything racist and see how it replies. Yes,

by nsowz 5mo ago

Grok is as progressive as any of the other models. Despite some of the highly-publicised fuck-ups, try asking Grok anything racist and see how it replies. Yes, I know you didn't try this and you won’t.

aqme28 5mo ago
There is a lot of daylight in between “progressive” and “openly explicitly racist”
- nsowz 5mo ago
  I didn’t say “progressive”; I said “as progressive”.
  - aqme28 5mo ago
    I don't see how that changes my point at all. edit: to clarify for you, here's an example. Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
  Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? Or did they change focus to enhance their racism and propaganda vertical? Things move so quickly these days hard to keep up!
  - addedGone 5mo ago
    Mistral will also tell you how to do ransoms btw from A to Z in automated ways, you are saying they are responsible? I don't get the mix here.
    - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
      Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. Can you send me a link from a reputable enough source where Mistral models have done this? I didn't even realize they were doing image generation.
      - addedGone 5mo ago
        If I send you a convo I've had with Mistral and Claude Sonnet 3.7 that say atrocious things (how to scam, and get away with it, by exploiting dating websites in Thailand, you don't even want to know the next steps trust me when it talks about the UK incorporation by the Thai itself that you brainwash first to send packages safely without customs seizing it and so on), you'll then publicly recognize that both those companies should be avoided and are promoting crime? If we have a deal and you publicly acknowledge it, I'll share you the links.
        2ndorderthought 5mo ago
        Sure!
      - pred_ 5mo ago
        > Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. At the same time, in this corner of the world, acting Minister for Justice (also known for trying to push through Chat Control), and NGO Save the Children, have been working to make legal the generation of CSAM for law enforcement use. So that would certainly make the industry legitimate, and you would already have a customer. https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringen-og-red-barnet-vil-seksuelt-kraenkende-materiale-med-boern-til-livs/ https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringe...
        2ndorderthought 5mo ago
        I think they key point here is "for law enforcement". That's a little different from "pay me 10 dollars and enjoy the felonies". I still don't feel good about that by the way.
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    > Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? I'm not sure I see how that's possible, given their image/video generation seems to be heavily censored. Do they have some alternative product besides "Imagine" or whatever it's called, that people use for generating CSAM? Judging by https://old.reddit.com/r/grok https://old.reddit.com/r/grok (but I haven't validated it myself), it seems like people are complaining more about how censored the model is, than anything else, maybe that's not actually true in reality? There are image models out there with 0 restrictions, even available on HuggingFace or CivitAI, I'm guessing those are way more widely used for things like CSAM than any centralized platform with moderation.
    - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
      Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal. I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low. Though I am sure it is possible. Here are some links https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-for-grok-generated-csam-no-fixes-announced/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/17/eu-also-investigating-as-grok-generated-23000-csam-images-in-11-days/ https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/17/eu-also-investigating-as-grok... Concerning.
      - embedding-shape 5mo ago
        > Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal. Obviously, I assumed we all are familiar with our local laws to not unwittingly commit crimes here :) > I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low So probably a far cry from "holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM" given the amount of local alternatives available? Would be my guess at least, but obviously also hard to know for sure. > Though I am sure it is possible. How can you be sure of this? I've tried just now to get Grok to generate even sexually explicit material with adults, and it's unable to, all of the requests are getting moderated and censored. Are you claiming that instead of prompting "A man and a woman having sex" you put "A man and a child having sex" and then the moderation doesn't censor it? Somehow I find that hard to believe, but as you say, I'm not gonna test that either, so I guess we'll never know for sure.
- simianwords 5mo ago
  Can you share a prompt that can show how it is openly racist now? Lots of easy claims like this can be debunked
  - aqme28 5mo ago
    What claim? I didn't make any of that sort
SanjayMehta 5mo ago
100% agree. Grok may or may not be biased one way or the other as far as the US is concerned but from the rest of the world perspective it's mostly the same as any other model trained on Wikipedia.
Der_Einzige 5mo ago
Grok absolutely is fine with being very racist. Stop spreading lies on the internet.

by nsowz 5mo ago

aqme28 5mo ago

There is a lot of daylight in between “progressive” and “openly explicitly racist”

nsowz 5mo ago
I didn’t say “progressive”; I said “as progressive”.
- aqme28 5mo ago
  I don't see how that changes my point at all. edit: to clarify for you, here's an example. Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation.
2ndorderthought 5mo ago
Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? Or did they change focus to enhance their racism and propaganda vertical? Things move so quickly these days hard to keep up!
- addedGone 5mo ago
  Mistral will also tell you how to do ransoms btw from A to Z in automated ways, you are saying they are responsible? I don't get the mix here.
  - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
    Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. Can you send me a link from a reputable enough source where Mistral models have done this? I didn't even realize they were doing image generation.
    - addedGone 5mo ago
      If I send you a convo I've had with Mistral and Claude Sonnet 3.7 that say atrocious things (how to scam, and get away with it, by exploiting dating websites in Thailand, you don't even want to know the next steps trust me when it talks about the UK incorporation by the Thai itself that you brainwash first to send packages safely without customs seizing it and so on), you'll then publicly recognize that both those companies should be avoided and are promoting crime? If we have a deal and you publicly acknowledge it, I'll share you the links.
      - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
        Sure!
    - pred_ 5mo ago
      > Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. At the same time, in this corner of the world, acting Minister for Justice (also known for trying to push through Chat Control), and NGO Save the Children, have been working to make legal the generation of CSAM for law enforcement use. So that would certainly make the industry legitimate, and you would already have a customer. https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringen-og-red-barnet-vil-seksuelt-kraenkende-materiale-med-boern-til-livs/ https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringe...
      - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
        I think they key point here is "for law enforcement". That's a little different from "pay me 10 dollars and enjoy the felonies". I still don't feel good about that by the way.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  > Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? I'm not sure I see how that's possible, given their image/video generation seems to be heavily censored. Do they have some alternative product besides "Imagine" or whatever it's called, that people use for generating CSAM? Judging by https://old.reddit.com/r/grok https://old.reddit.com/r/grok (but I haven't validated it myself), it seems like people are complaining more about how censored the model is, than anything else, maybe that's not actually true in reality? There are image models out there with 0 restrictions, even available on HuggingFace or CivitAI, I'm guessing those are way more widely used for things like CSAM than any centralized platform with moderation.
  - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
    Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal. I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low. Though I am sure it is possible. Here are some links https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-for-grok-generated-csam-no-fixes-announced/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/17/eu-also-investigating-as-grok-generated-23000-csam-images-in-11-days/ https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/17/eu-also-investigating-as-grok... Concerning.
    - embedding-shape 5mo ago
      > Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal. Obviously, I assumed we all are familiar with our local laws to not unwittingly commit crimes here :) > I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low So probably a far cry from "holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM" given the amount of local alternatives available? Would be my guess at least, but obviously also hard to know for sure. > Though I am sure it is possible. How can you be sure of this? I've tried just now to get Grok to generate even sexually explicit material with adults, and it's unable to, all of the requests are getting moderated and censored. Are you claiming that instead of prompting "A man and a woman having sex" you put "A man and a child having sex" and then the moderation doesn't censor it? Somehow I find that hard to believe, but as you say, I'm not gonna test that either, so I guess we'll never know for sure.
simianwords 5mo ago
Can you share a prompt that can show how it is openly racist now? Lots of easy claims like this can be debunked
- aqme28 5mo ago
  What claim? I didn't make any of that sort

SanjayMehta 5mo ago

100% agree. Grok may or may not be biased one way or the other as far as the US is concerned but from the rest of the world perspective it's mostly the same as any other model trained on Wikipedia.

Der_Einzige 5mo ago

Grok absolutely is fine with being very racist. Stop spreading lies on the internet.