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I think this only applies to certain segments of society. My child has type 1 so I'm active on Facebook groups for parents. The number of mums who say their par

I think this only applies to certain segments of society. My child has type 1 so I'm active on Facebook groups for parents. The number of mums who say their partner is not involved really at all in their child's care is so sad. The child's own father can't supervise their child solo because they can't manage the care. And then the divorced parents. Oh boy...

compiler-guy 5mo ago
That's the thing about trends in aggregate data. It tells very little about the details of any particular situation. There are almost certainly a wide variety of subgroups where this particular trend doesn't hold, and others where the changes are even more dramatic. But the aggregate trend is quite clear.
- IcyWindows 5mo ago
  Isn't the point that there is no way to get reliable data on this? How would aggregation of unreliable data help?
  - compiler-guy 5mo ago
    The data is reasonably reliable, at least in the view of the team that published the paper, and those who reviewed it. No one claims it is perfect. And the post that started this sub thread was about how their experience didn’t show the trend. But no one in the social sciences expects every sample to follow the trend. There will be numerous exceptions. Just like sometimes when one rolls a pair of dice one gets a twelve. That twelve is an absolutely an accurate sample from the data but just because one sometimes gets an outlier it doesn’t mean that there is no central tendency.
giantg2 5mo ago
"The number of mums who say their partner is not involved really at all in their child's care is so sad." While that can be true, I wonder how much of it is true. It's pretty common in therapy to hear partners saying the other one doesn't contribute, but further investigation can often turn up observation biases.
- geodel 5mo ago
  If someone is saying on Facebook it must be true.
- david-gpu 5mo ago
  Without proper statistics we can't know. But I do wonder why is it that if you spend any time on parenting websites you find lots of mothers complaining about deadbeat husbands, and so few fathers complaining about deadbeat wives. Purely anecdotal, but it is very lopsided, and it has made me wonder why is it. I am a dad, FWIW.
  - brewdad 5mo ago
    It depends on the site but when I was a SAHD, I found many of those parenting sites were not welcoming to dads, even dads doing the exact same work as the moms. Moms there wanted a place to vent about their husbands and men who were pulling their fair share or were handling most of the parent duties simply weren't allowed.
    - giantg2 5mo ago
      This, it's well known that women want to vent and men want to fix the issue. This difference in communication and perspective has been supported in various research.
      - hackable_sand 5mo ago
        That is your bias talking.
        giantg2 5mo ago
        The reseach says otherwise. https://couplestherapyinc.com/why-women-complain-and-why-men-should-do-more-of-it/ https://couplestherapyinc.com/why-women-complain-and-why-men...
        5mo ago

compiler-guy 5mo ago

That's the thing about trends in aggregate data. It tells very little about the details of any particular situation. There are almost certainly a wide variety of subgroups where this particular trend doesn't hold, and others where the changes are even more dramatic. But the aggregate trend is quite clear.

IcyWindows 5mo ago
Isn't the point that there is no way to get reliable data on this? How would aggregation of unreliable data help?
- compiler-guy 5mo ago
  The data is reasonably reliable, at least in the view of the team that published the paper, and those who reviewed it. No one claims it is perfect. And the post that started this sub thread was about how their experience didn’t show the trend. But no one in the social sciences expects every sample to follow the trend. There will be numerous exceptions. Just like sometimes when one rolls a pair of dice one gets a twelve. That twelve is an absolutely an accurate sample from the data but just because one sometimes gets an outlier it doesn’t mean that there is no central tendency.

giantg2 5mo ago

"The number of mums who say their partner is not involved really at all in their child's care is so sad." While that can be true, I wonder how much of it is true. It's pretty common in therapy to hear partners saying the other one doesn't contribute, but further investigation can often turn up observation biases.

geodel 5mo ago
If someone is saying on Facebook it must be true.
david-gpu 5mo ago
Without proper statistics we can't know. But I do wonder why is it that if you spend any time on parenting websites you find lots of mothers complaining about deadbeat husbands, and so few fathers complaining about deadbeat wives. Purely anecdotal, but it is very lopsided, and it has made me wonder why is it. I am a dad, FWIW.
- brewdad 5mo ago
  It depends on the site but when I was a SAHD, I found many of those parenting sites were not welcoming to dads, even dads doing the exact same work as the moms. Moms there wanted a place to vent about their husbands and men who were pulling their fair share or were handling most of the parent duties simply weren't allowed.
  - giantg2 5mo ago
    This, it's well known that women want to vent and men want to fix the issue. This difference in communication and perspective has been supported in various research.
    - hackable_sand 5mo ago
      That is your bias talking.
      - giantg2 5mo ago
        The reseach says otherwise. https://couplestherapyinc.com/why-women-complain-and-why-men-should-do-more-of-it/ https://couplestherapyinc.com/why-women-complain-and-why-men...
        5mo ago