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> I don't know what "openclaw" is. It's not something I have knowledge of, and it doesn't appear in your memory or this project's context. As others have point

> I don't know what "openclaw" is. It's not something I have knowledge of, and it doesn't appear in your memory or this project's context. As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it. But having Claude deny the existence of OpenClaw is a way more hazardous and likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution: https://www.anthropic.com/constitution https://www.anthropic.com/constitution

imiric 5mo ago
> likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution A company that goes against their self-proclaimed values... What a shocker.
- AbstractH24 5mo ago
  >> likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution > A company that goes against their self-proclaimed values... What a shocker Makes you wonder how much of the claims around Mythos are exaggerated to crate hype in advance of a IPO
  - malfist 5mo ago
    Surely and AI company wouldn't exaggerate. Thats securities fraud!
kentonv 5mo ago
Come on, folks. This is not a conspiracy. LLMs have a knowledge cutoff date. Opus 4.7's documented cutoff date is in January. Older Claude models are earlier than that. OpenClaw didn't have the name OpenClaw until January 30th. So indeed, even the latest Claude model does not know what OpenClaw is, unless you have it do a web search. If you have it search, it'll happily tell you all about it.
- ScoobleDoodle 5mo ago
  Except GP said they also pointed it to the source website to reference and then had the follow up weirdness.
- jeeeb 5mo ago
  Knowledge cutoff is completely insufficient as an explanation. These models have access to a web search tool. Gemini and ChatGPT both happily search for give info on OpenClaw. Claude denies all knowledge. What’s more it’s this part that’s very concerning.. Banned for wrong think.. > I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit.
  - NamlchakKhandro 5mo ago
    the model has no such magical access to tools. it's the harness which responds to the models replies that has access to the tools. I wish people would continue to reiterate this difference.
    - jeeeb 5mo ago
      I said the model has access to a web search tool. Of course it’s the harness that provides that access. I didn’t spell that out because it’s irrelevant detail, immaterial to the point I was making.
  - swordsith 5mo ago
    Claude is notorious in my experience to lie directly to your face (even if its baffling) instead of using the web tool. I'll never prompt it without saying 'use web tool' Its ridiculous.
  - kentonv 5mo ago
    Claude does not use the web search tool unless it thinks there's a good reason to. If you nudge it to search, it will, and then it'll tell you all about OpenClaw. You can easily go try this yourself -- I just did. It works fine. > I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit. Again, go to claude.ai yourself and try it. It works fine. It happily tells you about OpenClaw. Whatever happened to jrflo must have been a coincidence. It frankly doesn't make any sense for Anthropic to be trying to block this.
    - jeeeb 5mo ago
- jwilliams 5mo ago
  Fair call. I don't think couching it as conspiracy is the right frame either. This is not a one-off. I think a critical eye is warranted.
- kakacik 5mo ago
  Is the behavior the same with other unknown words? Certainly doesn't seem so from other comments.
AbstractH24 5mo ago
> As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it. Anthropic is allowed to shutdown its LLM and manufacture clown noses if it wants Doesn’t mean customers have to agree with it.
- copperx 5mo ago
  > Anthropic is allowed to shutdown its LLM and manufacture clown noses if it wants This exact pivot happened a few weeks ago.
- nicce 5mo ago
  At some point you can start asking money back. One could say that putting 5h unjustified limit for usage is like stealing money if it is set so that you cannot reach your 100% limit.

imiric 5mo ago

> likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution A company that goes against their self-proclaimed values... What a shocker.

AbstractH24 5mo ago
>> likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution > A company that goes against their self-proclaimed values... What a shocker Makes you wonder how much of the claims around Mythos are exaggerated to crate hype in advance of a IPO
- malfist 5mo ago
  Surely and AI company wouldn't exaggerate. Thats securities fraud!

kentonv 5mo ago

Come on, folks. This is not a conspiracy. LLMs have a knowledge cutoff date. Opus 4.7's documented cutoff date is in January. Older Claude models are earlier than that. OpenClaw didn't have the name OpenClaw until January 30th. So indeed, even the latest Claude model does not know what OpenClaw is, unless you have it do a web search. If you have it search, it'll happily tell you all about it.

ScoobleDoodle 5mo ago
Except GP said they also pointed it to the source website to reference and then had the follow up weirdness.
jeeeb 5mo ago
Knowledge cutoff is completely insufficient as an explanation. These models have access to a web search tool. Gemini and ChatGPT both happily search for give info on OpenClaw. Claude denies all knowledge. What’s more it’s this part that’s very concerning.. Banned for wrong think.. > I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit.
- NamlchakKhandro 5mo ago
  the model has no such magical access to tools. it's the harness which responds to the models replies that has access to the tools. I wish people would continue to reiterate this difference.
  - jeeeb 5mo ago
    I said the model has access to a web search tool. Of course it’s the harness that provides that access. I didn’t spell that out because it’s irrelevant detail, immaterial to the point I was making.
- swordsith 5mo ago
  Claude is notorious in my experience to lie directly to your face (even if its baffling) instead of using the web tool. I'll never prompt it without saying 'use web tool' Its ridiculous.
- kentonv 5mo ago
  Claude does not use the web search tool unless it thinks there's a good reason to. If you nudge it to search, it will, and then it'll tell you all about OpenClaw. You can easily go try this yourself -- I just did. It works fine. > I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit. Again, go to claude.ai yourself and try it. It works fine. It happily tells you about OpenClaw. Whatever happened to jrflo must have been a coincidence. It frankly doesn't make any sense for Anthropic to be trying to block this.
  - jeeeb 5mo ago
jwilliams 5mo ago
Fair call. I don't think couching it as conspiracy is the right frame either. This is not a one-off. I think a critical eye is warranted.
kakacik 5mo ago
Is the behavior the same with other unknown words? Certainly doesn't seem so from other comments.

AbstractH24 5mo ago

> As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it. Anthropic is allowed to shutdown its LLM and manufacture clown noses if it wants Doesn’t mean customers have to agree with it.

copperx 5mo ago
> Anthropic is allowed to shutdown its LLM and manufacture clown noses if it wants This exact pivot happened a few weeks ago.
nicce 5mo ago
At some point you can start asking money back. One could say that putting 5h unjustified limit for usage is like stealing money if it is set so that you cannot reach your 100% limit.