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And what happened after Napster? Filesharing totally stopped, right? With the chinese in the mix it wont stop ai. It probably will change Copyright.

tjpnz 5mo ago
How did the Napster suit change copyright?
neoncontrails 5mo ago
Can you name an active filesharing app that's in use today? The action against Napster might not have killed filesharing, but it was p2p's Antietam.
- TFNA 5mo ago
  The Bittorrent ecosystem is still very much around. I’m a cinephile who has a collection of nearly a thousand films in Blu-Ray image format, and 95% of that is off a tracker that is open even, not private. And Soulseek is still known as the P2P source where you can find all kinds of obscure music.
  - stinos 5mo ago
    And Soulseek is still known as the P2P source where you can find all kinds of obscure music. Wow, TIL. Do you happen to know if IRC file sharing of obscure music is still a thing?
  - palmotea 5mo ago
    > The Bittorrent ecosystem is still very much around. The point is: When Napster was around, everyone was running it all the time from their dorm rooms; it was ubiquitous. Now most people run something like Spotify or Netflix instead; piracy is niche, streaming is ubiquitous.
    - TFNA 5mo ago
      I’m well aware of that societal change, but the OP asked about an “active filesharing app that’s still in use today”, and if there are Bittorrent communities with so many seeders that one can get almost any film in a matter of minutes, then that fits the definition.
    - xboxnolifes 5mo ago
      Using Spotify or Netflix as the example of people getting cold to file sharing is odd. People use Spotify and Netflix because piracy is a service problem, and streaming apps made it a lot less friction is get music and video than running LimeWire. Notably, Spotify did not exist and Netflix did not stream video until long after the Napster suit.
- yard2010 5mo ago
  There are many people sharing many files on usenet. There are few open source projects to automate the downloads.
- JKolios 5mo ago
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- lelanthran 5mo ago
  Bittorrent? I have it running basically all the time...
dijksterhuis 5mo ago
Spotify and Netflix happened. file sharing became far less popular and ubiquitous as a result of their popularity. they tweaked the model — originally users download a temporary copy from central servers instead of p2p, then later to users rent licensed copies of media instead of pirated copies. i’m tired of seeing this as an argument on HN — that because something didn’t hit 100% that implies it was a failure and not worth doing or something. the fact that a limited subset of people still do filesharing is not evidence that the napster case had no effect. (spotify didn’t exactly start out squeaky clean with how they built out their repertoire iirc). (apologies for early edits. i just woke up.)

tjpnz 5mo ago

How did the Napster suit change copyright?

neoncontrails 5mo ago

Can you name an active filesharing app that's in use today? The action against Napster might not have killed filesharing, but it was p2p's Antietam.

TFNA 5mo ago
The Bittorrent ecosystem is still very much around. I’m a cinephile who has a collection of nearly a thousand films in Blu-Ray image format, and 95% of that is off a tracker that is open even, not private. And Soulseek is still known as the P2P source where you can find all kinds of obscure music.
- stinos 5mo ago
  And Soulseek is still known as the P2P source where you can find all kinds of obscure music. Wow, TIL. Do you happen to know if IRC file sharing of obscure music is still a thing?
- palmotea 5mo ago
  > The Bittorrent ecosystem is still very much around. The point is: When Napster was around, everyone was running it all the time from their dorm rooms; it was ubiquitous. Now most people run something like Spotify or Netflix instead; piracy is niche, streaming is ubiquitous.
  - TFNA 5mo ago
    I’m well aware of that societal change, but the OP asked about an “active filesharing app that’s still in use today”, and if there are Bittorrent communities with so many seeders that one can get almost any film in a matter of minutes, then that fits the definition.
  - xboxnolifes 5mo ago
    Using Spotify or Netflix as the example of people getting cold to file sharing is odd. People use Spotify and Netflix because piracy is a service problem, and streaming apps made it a lot less friction is get music and video than running LimeWire. Notably, Spotify did not exist and Netflix did not stream video until long after the Napster suit.
yard2010 5mo ago
There are many people sharing many files on usenet. There are few open source projects to automate the downloads.
JKolios 5mo ago
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lelanthran 5mo ago
Bittorrent? I have it running basically all the time...

dijksterhuis 5mo ago

Spotify and Netflix happened. file sharing became far less popular and ubiquitous as a result of their popularity. they tweaked the model — originally users download a temporary copy from central servers instead of p2p, then later to users rent licensed copies of media instead of pirated copies. i’m tired of seeing this as an argument on HN — that because something didn’t hit 100% that implies it was a failure and not worth doing or something. the fact that a limited subset of people still do filesharing is not evidence that the napster case had no effect. (spotify didn’t exactly start out squeaky clean with how they built out their repertoire iirc). (apologies for early edits. i just woke up.)