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> Firefox is the last holdout. Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

by nuker 5mo ago

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 5mo ago
>Last holdout is Safari now Why do people say crap like this... Safari was the first browser to completely remove mv2. From all the major browsers Safari has the worse adblocking experience and support for adblocking extensions...
- nuker 5mo ago
  > Why do people say crap like this... 1. Third-party cookie blocking by default — 2003 (Safari 1.0); industry first. 2. Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), using on-device machine learning to identify and limit cross-site trackers — 2017; industry first. 3. Storage Access API prompts for embedded third-party content (e.g., social login widgets) — 2018 (ITP 2.0); industry first (co-developed by WebKit, later adopted as a web standard). 4. Full third-party cookie blocking (no exceptions) — 2020 (ITP in Safari 13.1); industry first for a major browser.
  - nottorp 5mo ago
    That's what the marketing department says. Ad/tracking blocking is one of the things that can only be trusted if it's open source, i.e. uBlock Origin. By the way, does this Adblock Engine actually block trackers? Or it just stops the ads from displaying?
    - saagarjha 5mo ago
      ITP is mostly part of WebKit and open source.
  - potatoproduct 5mo ago
    Apple only does things to progress their own business model. Apple failed at becoming an ad business so they pivoted to subscriptions and app revenue. Now they are building an ad business. Just look at their ad revenue.
ThePowerOfFuet 5mo ago
You cannot install uBlock Origin on Safari.
- 16bitvoid 5mo ago
  The Lite version, same as on Chrome, is actually available for Safari. Still not as good as the full one on Firefox though. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id6745342698 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...
  - mort96 5mo ago
    Exactly.
  - trueno 5mo ago
    what's the diff between lite and full? i dont even remember what i use on safari, wipr or something. mostly use firefox but sometimes i casually just let things launch in safari
    - hurfdurf 5mo ago
      https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-asked-questions-(FAQ)#filtering-capabilities-which-cant-be-ported-to-mv3 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as... https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...
      - trueno 5mo ago
        really appreciate you dropping links thank you!
- fsflover 5mo ago
  Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825

> Firefox is the last holdout. Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

by nuker 5mo ago

> Firefox is the last holdout. Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 5mo ago

>Last holdout is Safari now Why do people say crap like this... Safari was the first browser to completely remove mv2. From all the major browsers Safari has the worse adblocking experience and support for adblocking extensions...

nuker 5mo ago
> Why do people say crap like this... 1. Third-party cookie blocking by default — 2003 (Safari 1.0); industry first. 2. Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), using on-device machine learning to identify and limit cross-site trackers — 2017; industry first. 3. Storage Access API prompts for embedded third-party content (e.g., social login widgets) — 2018 (ITP 2.0); industry first (co-developed by WebKit, later adopted as a web standard). 4. Full third-party cookie blocking (no exceptions) — 2020 (ITP in Safari 13.1); industry first for a major browser.
- nottorp 5mo ago
  That's what the marketing department says. Ad/tracking blocking is one of the things that can only be trusted if it's open source, i.e. uBlock Origin. By the way, does this Adblock Engine actually block trackers? Or it just stops the ads from displaying?
  - saagarjha 5mo ago
    ITP is mostly part of WebKit and open source.
- potatoproduct 5mo ago
  Apple only does things to progress their own business model. Apple failed at becoming an ad business so they pivoted to subscriptions and app revenue. Now they are building an ad business. Just look at their ad revenue.

ThePowerOfFuet 5mo ago

You cannot install uBlock Origin on Safari.

16bitvoid 5mo ago
The Lite version, same as on Chrome, is actually available for Safari. Still not as good as the full one on Firefox though. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id6745342698 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...
- mort96 5mo ago
  Exactly.
- trueno 5mo ago
  what's the diff between lite and full? i dont even remember what i use on safari, wipr or something. mostly use firefox but sometimes i casually just let things launch in safari
  - hurfdurf 5mo ago
    https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-asked-questions-(FAQ)#filtering-capabilities-which-cant-be-ported-to-mv3 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as... https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...
    - trueno 5mo ago
      really appreciate you dropping links thank you!
fsflover 5mo ago
Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825