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Well, they obviously are going to say that, they have vested interest in OpenAI and thus Nvidia stock price growing. Also, I honestly can’t believe the 10x man

Well, they obviously are going to say that, they have vested interest in OpenAI and thus Nvidia stock price growing. Also, I honestly can’t believe the 10x mantra is being still repeated.

dandaka 5mo ago
Writing code is 10-100x faster, doing actual product engineering work is nowhere near that multipliers — no conflict!
- giwook 5mo ago
  Reviewing code is slower now though because you didn't write the code in the first place so you're basically reviewing someone else's PR. And now it's like a 3000 line PR in an hour or two instead of every couple weeks.
  - 32df 5mo ago
    Arent most people just almost skipping this step entirely? How else can you end up in a net benefit situation? Reviewing code is more intense than writing/reviewing simultaneously.
    - mwwaters 5mo ago
      Yeah, that’s the issue. There is a lot of boilerplate or I can ask for ideas, but outside of boilerplate the review step make generation seemingly worse.
    - dandaka 5mo ago
      1/ Reviewing code can't be more intense than writing. I can't understand where this statement comes from! If that would be true, why would senior developers review code of junior, instead of writing themselves from scratch? 2/ I think we need to build more efficient ways to 'QA code' instead of 'read with eyes' review process. Example — my agents are writing a lot of tests and review each other.
embedding-shape 5mo ago
> Also, I honestly can’t believe the 10x mantra is being still repeated. I'm sure in 20 years we'll all be programming via neural interfaces that can anticipate what you want to do before you even finished your thoughts, but I'm confident we'll still have blog posts about how some engineers are 10x while others are just "normal programmers".
- huijzer 5mo ago
  I rather become a plumber than some device scanning not just my face but my whole brain
- rglullis 5mo ago
  What does it mean to "be an engineer" in a world where anyone can talk to a machine and the operating system can write the code (on-demand, if needed) that does what they want?
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    Indeed, and what is really the difference between a software engineer, programmer, coder and hacker anyways?
    - rglullis 5mo ago
      There used to a time where "computer" was a person who manually run calculations. These don't exist anymore. So, my point is that once corporations have access to machines generating software (not "code") that can be usable by non-technical people, "programming" will not be a profession anymore. There will be no point in talking about "10x software engineers" because the process to produce a software product will be entirely automated.
      - 32df 5mo ago
        lol youre living in delulu-land if you think thatll actually happen. I dont make a living being a SWE either.

Well, they obviously are going to say that, they have vested interest in OpenAI and thus Nvidia stock price growing. Also, I honestly can’t believe the 10x mantra is being still repeated.

dandaka 5mo ago

Writing code is 10-100x faster, doing actual product engineering work is nowhere near that multipliers — no conflict!

giwook 5mo ago
Reviewing code is slower now though because you didn't write the code in the first place so you're basically reviewing someone else's PR. And now it's like a 3000 line PR in an hour or two instead of every couple weeks.
- 32df 5mo ago
  Arent most people just almost skipping this step entirely? How else can you end up in a net benefit situation? Reviewing code is more intense than writing/reviewing simultaneously.
  - mwwaters 5mo ago
    Yeah, that’s the issue. There is a lot of boilerplate or I can ask for ideas, but outside of boilerplate the review step make generation seemingly worse.
  - dandaka 5mo ago
    1/ Reviewing code can't be more intense than writing. I can't understand where this statement comes from! If that would be true, why would senior developers review code of junior, instead of writing themselves from scratch? 2/ I think we need to build more efficient ways to 'QA code' instead of 'read with eyes' review process. Example — my agents are writing a lot of tests and review each other.

embedding-shape 5mo ago

> Also, I honestly can’t believe the 10x mantra is being still repeated. I'm sure in 20 years we'll all be programming via neural interfaces that can anticipate what you want to do before you even finished your thoughts, but I'm confident we'll still have blog posts about how some engineers are 10x while others are just "normal programmers".

huijzer 5mo ago
I rather become a plumber than some device scanning not just my face but my whole brain
rglullis 5mo ago
What does it mean to "be an engineer" in a world where anyone can talk to a machine and the operating system can write the code (on-demand, if needed) that does what they want?
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  Indeed, and what is really the difference between a software engineer, programmer, coder and hacker anyways?
  - rglullis 5mo ago
    There used to a time where "computer" was a person who manually run calculations. These don't exist anymore. So, my point is that once corporations have access to machines generating software (not "code") that can be usable by non-technical people, "programming" will not be a profession anymore. There will be no point in talking about "10x software engineers" because the process to produce a software product will be entirely automated.
    - 32df 5mo ago
      lol youre living in delulu-land if you think thatll actually happen. I dont make a living being a SWE either.