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"Not in the slightest" is an overreach, the paper the second level down from that link doesn't really support the conclusion in the blog post - the paper is muc

"Not in the slightest" is an overreach, the paper the second level down from that link doesn't really support the conclusion in the blog post - the paper is much more nuanced. Are they going to fib to you sometimes? Yes of course, but that doesn't mean there's no value in behavioural metaqueries. Like most new tech, the discussion tends to polarise into "Best thing evah!" and "Utter shite!" The truth is somewhere in between.

mpalmer 5mo ago
You're retreating from your position. You started at "major step" and "extremely important", and you've arrived at "there's not no value".
- crustycoder 5mo ago
  Picking phrases from what I said and deliberately misquoting them out of context does not make you right.
  - mpalmer 5mo ago
    How exactly did I misquote you?
    - crustycoder 5mo ago
      Go figure it out, it will be a useful challenge for you.
hansmayer 5mo ago
> Like most new tech It's nothing like "most new tech". Most new tech tends to be adopted early by young people and experienced techies. In this case it is mostly the opposite: The teens absolutely hate it, probably because the shitty AI content does not inspire the young mind, and the experienced techies see it for what it is. I've never seen such "new tech" which was cheered on by the proverbial average "boomers" (i.e. old people doing "office jobs", not the literal age bracket) and despised by the young folks and experienced experts of all ages.
- alchemism 5mo ago
  Judging from Claude Code and the sheer number of “Make Your Favorite Anime Crush Into An AI” SaaSes on the market, I’d posit that both the young and experienced are quite enthusiastic about the new tech.
  - hansmayer 5mo ago
    If you had kids, or friends and family with kids, you wouldn't be making false conclusions based on some weird proxy "metric".
- crustycoder 5mo ago
  You clearly missed the "The truth is somewhere in between" bit.
  - hansmayer 5mo ago
    No mate, this tech is marketed as superintelligence. Nation of PhDs in a datacentet. Yadda,yadda,yadda. No in-betweens please. Why is it not delivering after so many years and hundreds of billions in investment?
    - crustycoder 5mo ago
      Name me a new bit of tech that hasn't been hyped beyond reasonable bounds. And yes, this is one of the worst examples. But saying it doesn't have its uses isn't reasonable either.
      - hansmayer 5mo ago
        None was hyped like this ever before. What are you talking about? Mac was about "it just works" (and it f*ing did), iPhone was "a phone, an iPod and Internet access device". Need more? Microsoft Excel - actually more powerful if you know the tool compared to the bullshit machine. C#, the programming language: "Java done right". And it bloody was! What is in common: None of these techs were hyped beyond reasonable doubt. They were hyped a bit, but not to the level of bullshit LLMs. And none of these techs claimed to do incredible stuff only to underdeliver. After so much money burnt, yes I want to see that nation of PhDs. I want to see AI "writing all the code" in six months (Anthropic claimed this in January this year). Enough of bullshit and people being told they are stupid for not knowing how to win the lottery system and comparing lottery systems. Show me the superintelligence or shut the f. up.

mpalmer 5mo ago

You're retreating from your position. You started at "major step" and "extremely important", and you've arrived at "there's not no value".

crustycoder 5mo ago
Picking phrases from what I said and deliberately misquoting them out of context does not make you right.
- mpalmer 5mo ago
  How exactly did I misquote you?
  - crustycoder 5mo ago
    Go figure it out, it will be a useful challenge for you.

hansmayer 5mo ago

> Like most new tech It's nothing like "most new tech". Most new tech tends to be adopted early by young people and experienced techies. In this case it is mostly the opposite: The teens absolutely hate it, probably because the shitty AI content does not inspire the young mind, and the experienced techies see it for what it is. I've never seen such "new tech" which was cheered on by the proverbial average "boomers" (i.e. old people doing "office jobs", not the literal age bracket) and despised by the young folks and experienced experts of all ages.

alchemism 5mo ago
Judging from Claude Code and the sheer number of “Make Your Favorite Anime Crush Into An AI” SaaSes on the market, I’d posit that both the young and experienced are quite enthusiastic about the new tech.
- hansmayer 5mo ago
  If you had kids, or friends and family with kids, you wouldn't be making false conclusions based on some weird proxy "metric".
crustycoder 5mo ago
You clearly missed the "The truth is somewhere in between" bit.
- hansmayer 5mo ago
  No mate, this tech is marketed as superintelligence. Nation of PhDs in a datacentet. Yadda,yadda,yadda. No in-betweens please. Why is it not delivering after so many years and hundreds of billions in investment?
  - crustycoder 5mo ago
    Name me a new bit of tech that hasn't been hyped beyond reasonable bounds. And yes, this is one of the worst examples. But saying it doesn't have its uses isn't reasonable either.
    - hansmayer 5mo ago
      None was hyped like this ever before. What are you talking about? Mac was about "it just works" (and it f*ing did), iPhone was "a phone, an iPod and Internet access device". Need more? Microsoft Excel - actually more powerful if you know the tool compared to the bullshit machine. C#, the programming language: "Java done right". And it bloody was! What is in common: None of these techs were hyped beyond reasonable doubt. They were hyped a bit, but not to the level of bullshit LLMs. And none of these techs claimed to do incredible stuff only to underdeliver. After so much money burnt, yes I want to see that nation of PhDs. I want to see AI "writing all the code" in six months (Anthropic claimed this in January this year). Enough of bullshit and people being told they are stupid for not knowing how to win the lottery system and comparing lottery systems. Show me the superintelligence or shut the f. up.