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> Taking advantage of the $200 plan. No, I'm paying $200 a month for a premium product that I expect premium service for. It's the single most expensive IT exp

> Taking advantage of the $200 plan. No, I'm paying $200 a month for a premium product that I expect premium service for. It's the single most expensive IT expense I have. Taking advantage my foot.

charcircuit 5mo ago
It's not a premium product. It's just expensive.
infecto 5mo ago
You are simply a bit too entitled. It's not a premium product and honestly not that expensive in my opinion either (though that is going to depend on your location). You are more than able to pay for API rates.
- siva7 5mo ago
  You may want to learn the difference between someone being able to pay API rates and someone willing to pay API rates. I'm sure many people on HN are able to pay API rates and almost all of them aren't willing to pay API rates. The providers know this hence why subscriptions exist. API is almost solely used by companies as almost no private person would be willing to pay that.
  - infecto 5mo ago
    “You may want to learn” such choice way to introduce your position which is really not much of one. If you are going to come and complain about a $200 subscription that gives you $400 worth of API tokens there is only so much room to complain. Only so many lemons can be squeezed. Hope that was a helpful for you.
- Dylan16807 5mo ago
  A normal person pays $0-10 for an AI plan, maybe double that for a business. $200 is premium.
  - infecto 5mo ago
    It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. Those $200 gives you at least $400 in API cost tokens. Don't confused price with "premium service". It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. You are buying a subsidized product when using the plan and the more you spend the more tokens you get, has nothing to do with being a premium service.
    - Dylan16807 5mo ago
      > It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. The cheap plans are usually semi-unlimited the same way but not as powerful. This isn't simply a matter of buying more tokens. > It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. Compared to OTA that's premium, but more relevantly if most cable buyers are getting a hypothetical $10 bundle then the $100 one is a premium bundle.
      - infecto 5mo ago
        Sorry still not sure what you’re going on about . The majority of LLM plans are simply a token purchase. The $200 account buys you nothing but tokens. It’s not a premium service, it’s simply more tokens. This is true for most of the companies out there. The original comment was they are paying for a premium service. No they are paying for more tokens. You lot going on and on arguing over some small hill.
        Dylan16807 5mo ago
        The lower tier openai and google plans don't have access to the same models. Where are you seeing popular plans that are simply token purchases?
        infecto 5mo ago
        I guess if you want to go that deep sure they sometimes offer early access, access to new agents/models but ultimately it’s a function of tokens. The selling point for most/all providers is x times the usage. You are upgrading for the token access. Claude was the topic at hand and higher tiers buy you more tokens. I know some like Gemini bundle a ton of junk alongside the tokens but you really are still buying yourself more tokens. There is nothing premium in a $200 Claude account. You are buying more tokens, $100 is the same as $200 except token count. Hope that helps. ;)
59nadir 5mo ago
Can you imagine paying the actual cost of it, or a subscription cost that at least ballpark matched it? I don't think I have a single friend or acquaintance who realistically would.

> Taking advantage of the $200 plan. No, I'm paying $200 a month for a premium product that I expect premium service for. It's the single most expensive IT expense I have. Taking advantage my foot.

charcircuit 5mo ago

It's not a premium product. It's just expensive.

infecto 5mo ago

You are simply a bit too entitled. It's not a premium product and honestly not that expensive in my opinion either (though that is going to depend on your location). You are more than able to pay for API rates.

siva7 5mo ago
You may want to learn the difference between someone being able to pay API rates and someone willing to pay API rates. I'm sure many people on HN are able to pay API rates and almost all of them aren't willing to pay API rates. The providers know this hence why subscriptions exist. API is almost solely used by companies as almost no private person would be willing to pay that.
- infecto 5mo ago
  “You may want to learn” such choice way to introduce your position which is really not much of one. If you are going to come and complain about a $200 subscription that gives you $400 worth of API tokens there is only so much room to complain. Only so many lemons can be squeezed. Hope that was a helpful for you.
Dylan16807 5mo ago
A normal person pays $0-10 for an AI plan, maybe double that for a business. $200 is premium.
- infecto 5mo ago
  It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. Those $200 gives you at least $400 in API cost tokens. Don't confused price with "premium service". It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. You are buying a subsidized product when using the plan and the more you spend the more tokens you get, has nothing to do with being a premium service.
  - Dylan16807 5mo ago
    > It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. The cheap plans are usually semi-unlimited the same way but not as powerful. This isn't simply a matter of buying more tokens. > It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. Compared to OTA that's premium, but more relevantly if most cable buyers are getting a hypothetical $10 bundle then the $100 one is a premium bundle.
    - infecto 5mo ago
      Sorry still not sure what you’re going on about . The majority of LLM plans are simply a token purchase. The $200 account buys you nothing but tokens. It’s not a premium service, it’s simply more tokens. This is true for most of the companies out there. The original comment was they are paying for a premium service. No they are paying for more tokens. You lot going on and on arguing over some small hill.
      - Dylan16807 5mo ago
        The lower tier openai and google plans don't have access to the same models. Where are you seeing popular plans that are simply token purchases?
        infecto 5mo ago
        I guess if you want to go that deep sure they sometimes offer early access, access to new agents/models but ultimately it’s a function of tokens. The selling point for most/all providers is x times the usage. You are upgrading for the token access. Claude was the topic at hand and higher tiers buy you more tokens. I know some like Gemini bundle a ton of junk alongside the tokens but you really are still buying yourself more tokens. There is nothing premium in a $200 Claude account. You are buying more tokens, $100 is the same as $200 except token count. Hope that helps. ;)

59nadir 5mo ago

Can you imagine paying the actual cost of it, or a subscription cost that at least ballpark matched it? I don't think I have a single friend or acquaintance who realistically would.