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The VM limit only applies to the number of macOS VMs launched from macOS itself. My 2018 mac mini officially supports VMware ESXi to be installed directly on

by moondev 5mo ago

The VM limit only applies to the number of macOS VMs launched from macOS itself. My 2018 mac mini officially supports VMware ESXi to be installed directly on the hardware and virtualize any number of macOS machines Funny enough I can even launch more than 2 macOS vms on my framework chromebook with qemu + KVM from the integrated Linux terminal.

ralph84 5mo ago
macOS is proprietary software. You need a license for every copy you run, whether it's in a VM or not. The VM limit is written into the macOS EULA. > to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software, or any prior macOS or OS X operating system software or subsequent release of the Apple Software, within virtual operating system environments on each Apple-branded computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using macOS Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use.
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- stingraycharles 5mo ago
  This implies anyone doing this using VMware violates the EULA?
  - plorkyeran 5mo ago
    Yes. Apple's not going to come after you for running too many VMs on your personal machine, but if you're running a commercial enterprise involving macOS VMs they do care.
    - moondev 5mo ago
      VMware vSphere is not a product intended to be used by consumers. It's intended to be run by enterprises at scale. ESXi is running the vms not macOS. https://i0.wp.com/williamlam.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/esxi-macos-guest-mac-pro-2019.png?ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/williamlam.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/...
      - spockz 5mo ago
        Yes. And the license only allows you to run macOS guests on macOS hosts. So using esxi means you don’t have any license for whatever macOS guests you run.
        moondev 5mo ago
        You are confusing macos guests on KVM (Linux) and macos guests on ESXi which is a real enterprise product, and officially enables you to run as many macos vms as your hardware supports.

by moondev 5mo ago

ralph84 5mo ago

macOS is proprietary software. You need a license for every copy you run, whether it's in a VM or not. The VM limit is written into the macOS EULA. > to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software, or any prior macOS or OS X operating system software or subsequent release of the Apple Software, within virtual operating system environments on each Apple-branded computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using macOS Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use.

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stingraycharles 5mo ago
This implies anyone doing this using VMware violates the EULA?
- plorkyeran 5mo ago
  Yes. Apple's not going to come after you for running too many VMs on your personal machine, but if you're running a commercial enterprise involving macOS VMs they do care.
  - moondev 5mo ago
    VMware vSphere is not a product intended to be used by consumers. It's intended to be run by enterprises at scale. ESXi is running the vms not macOS. https://i0.wp.com/williamlam.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/esxi-macos-guest-mac-pro-2019.png?ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/williamlam.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/...
    - spockz 5mo ago
      Yes. And the license only allows you to run macOS guests on macOS hosts. So using esxi means you don’t have any license for whatever macOS guests you run.
      - moondev 5mo ago
        You are confusing macos guests on KVM (Linux) and macos guests on ESXi which is a real enterprise product, and officially enables you to run as many macos vms as your hardware supports.