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This will only get worse imo - regardless of how Sam is perceived - there is anger against AI which is growing amongst the people. I think we as a society need

This will only get worse imo - regardless of how Sam is perceived - there is anger against AI which is growing amongst the people. I think we as a society need to stop and have the conversation and be more thoughtful about how we integrate AI with everything.

pixel_popping 5mo ago
I don't think this is possible yet, because many people refuse to think AI would be eventually better than us at practically anything (at least anything virtual), they keep talking about what's "current" while I think it's completely irrelevant for that discussion, people need to assume extreme intelligence and orchestration tools (and robots) will be there, worldwide, it's a *fact*, not just a maybe.
- classified 5mo ago
  Your "fact" is pure vaporware and hallucination.
  - pixel_popping 5mo ago
    Let's talk about it again in 5 years, but 1-2 years from now, at the very least, coding will be over in the sense that the best models will do it better than the best (or the 99.99%). I don't think I'm hallucinating no, when my own work went from coding+managing+bunch of other stuff to just orchestrating and my output is just insanely higher and I literally have a bunch of friends that went from coding 8h a day to just "pretending to code" and just using a bunch of agents and get paid the same salary for working 30min a day, that's real, not an hallucination.
    - classified 5mo ago
      > in 5 years That's literally the same argument that the blockchain gurus made, and each following year it was still 5 years in the future. I'm getting strong Real Soon Now™ vibes.
      - AlexCoventry 5mo ago
        No, AI has real, immediate, large-scale industrial and scientific applications. Cryptocurrency is a massive disappointment, but AI has genuine potential value.
        classified 5mo ago
        > genuine potential value That's some beautiful mental and verbal gymnastics.
        AlexCoventry 5mo ago
        That's some cynical ignorance.
      - pixel_popping 5mo ago
        common, that's very different, that's something current with practical use-cases that are already being implemented across all companies, I don't even know why we compare this with blockchain, blockchain is just some fancy resilient DB with proofs in the end.
      - cleversomething 5mo ago
        Bitcoin was never actually valuable for the average person except if they got lucky by timing the speculation bubbles right, or if they were buying illegal drugs online. Lots of AI tools already add actual value and they're only getting better. Every software dev I know uses Claude at some level. Whether it will be the next trillion dollar unicorn might be overhype, but in terms of demonstrating its general utility, it's already there. No need to wait 5 years.
        pixel_popping 5mo ago
        It's really 2 very different things, only the "shilling" might be deja-vu.
        5mo ago
    - shash 5mo ago
      How are you/they instructing those agents? If you are writing detailed spec.md and reviewing those results, you are _still_ programming. Just in pseudocode effectively. I’ve seen enough session transcripts and detailed prompts that would have been easier to just write the code instead!
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- toraway 5mo ago
  It is actually entirely possible to discuss a solution for something that may or may not happen. If a hurricane is approaching, we don't typically require every person to agree the odds of landfall are 100% to start preparing shelters and stockpiling aid nearby. Not everything in the world is about the "AI skeptics" on the internet being dumb and wrong unlike you.
ndsipa_pomu 5mo ago
More thoughtful? How about we don't integrate AI with everything as we seem to be polluting and burning down the planet just to keep AI running. There's also the rampant copyright infringing just to train the models, so I think we need to figure out how to correctly punish the AI executives first for breaking laws on such a large scale.

pixel_popping 5mo ago

I don't think this is possible yet, because many people refuse to think AI would be eventually better than us at practically anything (at least anything virtual), they keep talking about what's "current" while I think it's completely irrelevant for that discussion, people need to assume extreme intelligence and orchestration tools (and robots) will be there, worldwide, it's a *fact*, not just a maybe.

classified 5mo ago
Your "fact" is pure vaporware and hallucination.
- pixel_popping 5mo ago
  Let's talk about it again in 5 years, but 1-2 years from now, at the very least, coding will be over in the sense that the best models will do it better than the best (or the 99.99%). I don't think I'm hallucinating no, when my own work went from coding+managing+bunch of other stuff to just orchestrating and my output is just insanely higher and I literally have a bunch of friends that went from coding 8h a day to just "pretending to code" and just using a bunch of agents and get paid the same salary for working 30min a day, that's real, not an hallucination.
  - classified 5mo ago
    > in 5 years That's literally the same argument that the blockchain gurus made, and each following year it was still 5 years in the future. I'm getting strong Real Soon Now™ vibes.
    - AlexCoventry 5mo ago
      No, AI has real, immediate, large-scale industrial and scientific applications. Cryptocurrency is a massive disappointment, but AI has genuine potential value.
      - classified 5mo ago
        > genuine potential value That's some beautiful mental and verbal gymnastics.
        AlexCoventry 5mo ago
        That's some cynical ignorance.
    - pixel_popping 5mo ago
      common, that's very different, that's something current with practical use-cases that are already being implemented across all companies, I don't even know why we compare this with blockchain, blockchain is just some fancy resilient DB with proofs in the end.
    - cleversomething 5mo ago
      Bitcoin was never actually valuable for the average person except if they got lucky by timing the speculation bubbles right, or if they were buying illegal drugs online. Lots of AI tools already add actual value and they're only getting better. Every software dev I know uses Claude at some level. Whether it will be the next trillion dollar unicorn might be overhype, but in terms of demonstrating its general utility, it's already there. No need to wait 5 years.
      - pixel_popping 5mo ago
        It's really 2 very different things, only the "shilling" might be deja-vu.
        5mo ago
  - shash 5mo ago
    How are you/they instructing those agents? If you are writing detailed spec.md and reviewing those results, you are _still_ programming. Just in pseudocode effectively. I’ve seen enough session transcripts and detailed prompts that would have been easier to just write the code instead!
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toraway 5mo ago
It is actually entirely possible to discuss a solution for something that may or may not happen. If a hurricane is approaching, we don't typically require every person to agree the odds of landfall are 100% to start preparing shelters and stockpiling aid nearby. Not everything in the world is about the "AI skeptics" on the internet being dumb and wrong unlike you.

ndsipa_pomu 5mo ago

More thoughtful? How about we don't integrate AI with everything as we seem to be polluting and burning down the planet just to keep AI running. There's also the rampant copyright infringing just to train the models, so I think we need to figure out how to correctly punish the AI executives first for breaking laws on such a large scale.