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LibreOffice, VeraCrypt, WireGuard. 2 questions: Whats next? Is that a pattern?

by maltris 5mo ago

ChocolateGod 5mo ago
What has LibreOffice got to do with any of this?
- Terr_ 5mo ago
  Perhaps this from last year, though it doesn't directly involve code-signing: https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-bans-libreoffice-developers-account-without-warning-rejects-appeal/ https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-bans-libreoffice-devel...
- IvyMike 5mo ago
  Maybe this from 8 months ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44728369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44728369
- quantum_magpie 5mo ago
  MS has a history of fucking up LibreOffice installs. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/General_Installation_Issues_%28Windows%29 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/General_Inst...
  - elAhmo 5mo ago
    I am sure this is by accident, MS would never try to discourage users from installing free alternatives to their offerings.
Lihh27 5mo ago
yeah three projects, one account lock, everyone's users stop getting updates. that's the pattern
direwolf20 5mo ago
And Windscribe
baobabKoodaa 5mo ago
Was the issue resolved for VeraCrypt as well?
- snailmailman 5mo ago
  It has been resolved. https://sourceforge.net/p/veracrypt/discussion/general/thread/9620d7a4b3/?page=1#43c0 https://sourceforge.net/p/veracrypt/discussion/general/threa...
donmcronald 5mo ago
> Whats next? I think Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc. are happy with the collateral damage caused by false positives and bad product decisions. And the way they implemented this was a bad product decision. Think about it. If they "accidentally" destroy distribution for small projects that don't have the visibility to make waves, that's fewer possible startups that can eat their lunch. The cynic in me thinks that "at scale", "AI false positives", etc. are just an excuse for them to eliminate small developers. They don't have to ban them all either. All they have to do is increase the risk to the point where rational people won't take the risk. There were people that warned not to get into iOS development because it was impossible to guarantee distribution of an app. How do you build things like LoB apps under those circumstances? And who benefits when it's impossible to promise delivery of custom built apps? It favors big companies with the visibility to short circuit the system. It's asymmetric rules; one set for big companies and another for small developers. I really hope the renewed interest in Linux takes off because it's the last chance we have at holding off big tech from taking over every little aspect of our lives.

LibreOffice, VeraCrypt, WireGuard. 2 questions: Whats next? Is that a pattern?

by maltris 5mo ago

LibreOffice, VeraCrypt, WireGuard. 2 questions: Whats next? Is that a pattern?

ChocolateGod 5mo ago

What has LibreOffice got to do with any of this?

Terr_ 5mo ago
Perhaps this from last year, though it doesn't directly involve code-signing: https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-bans-libreoffice-developers-account-without-warning-rejects-appeal/ https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-bans-libreoffice-devel...
IvyMike 5mo ago
Maybe this from 8 months ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44728369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44728369
quantum_magpie 5mo ago
MS has a history of fucking up LibreOffice installs. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/General_Installation_Issues_%28Windows%29 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/General_Inst...
- elAhmo 5mo ago
  I am sure this is by accident, MS would never try to discourage users from installing free alternatives to their offerings.

Lihh27 5mo ago

yeah three projects, one account lock, everyone's users stop getting updates. that's the pattern

direwolf20 5mo ago

And Windscribe

baobabKoodaa 5mo ago

Was the issue resolved for VeraCrypt as well?

snailmailman 5mo ago
It has been resolved. https://sourceforge.net/p/veracrypt/discussion/general/thread/9620d7a4b3/?page=1#43c0 https://sourceforge.net/p/veracrypt/discussion/general/threa...

donmcronald 5mo ago

> Whats next? I think Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc. are happy with the collateral damage caused by false positives and bad product decisions. And the way they implemented this was a bad product decision. Think about it. If they "accidentally" destroy distribution for small projects that don't have the visibility to make waves, that's fewer possible startups that can eat their lunch. The cynic in me thinks that "at scale", "AI false positives", etc. are just an excuse for them to eliminate small developers. They don't have to ban them all either. All they have to do is increase the risk to the point where rational people won't take the risk. There were people that warned not to get into iOS development because it was impossible to guarantee distribution of an app. How do you build things like LoB apps under those circumstances? And who benefits when it's impossible to promise delivery of custom built apps? It favors big companies with the visibility to short circuit the system. It's asymmetric rules; one set for big companies and another for small developers. I really hope the renewed interest in Linux takes off because it's the last chance we have at holding off big tech from taking over every little aspect of our lives.