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Musician says AI company is cloning her music, filing claims against her

123 points by lando2319 6mo ago

xvxvx 6mo ago
YouTube is not an innocent party in this new fraudulent ecosystem. It was literally built on piracy.
- DaiPlusPlus 6mo ago
  Right; in 2006-2007 we all watched uploaded rips of The Simpsons between class in high-school; Original content on YouTube had a really limited appeal.
- obscurette 6mo ago
  Youtube is one of the best platforms in this regard - it is possible that they react. Good luck with FB, Instagram or TikTok.
garciansmith 6mo ago
https://xcancel.com/i/status/2040577536136974444 https://xcancel.com/i/status/2040577536136974444
hamasho 6mo ago
AI-generated content should have the same amount of copyright as prompt texts. You can't claim copyright for the text "Rock music with angry vocals and 160 bpm with a guitar solo". But I think training models using copyrighted content is stealing in the first place. It's not fair use, so it should be banned entirely.
- ceejayoz 6mo ago
  > AI-generated content should have the same amount of copyright as prompt texts. That's about right currently. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-declines-hear-dispute-over-copyrights-ai-generated-material-2026-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-de... "Plaintiff Stephen Thaler had appealed to the justices after lower courts upheld a U.S. Copyright Office decision that the AI-crafted visual art at issue in the case was ineligible for copyright protection because it did not have a human creator."
- hperrin 6mo ago
  I have great news for you. It has even less copyright. A prompt text you write, if sufficiently creative enough, is copyrighted. The output of an AI, no matter how “creative”, is always pubic domain. https://sciactive.com/human-contribution-policy/#More-Information https://sciactive.com/human-contribution-policy/#More-Inform...
  - userbinator 6mo ago
    pubic domain. Only certain types of AI output.
    - hperrin 5mo ago
      All large language model output, unless it is infringing someone else’s copyright, is public domain. Did you read the quotes from the copyright office I linked to?
Rodeoclash 6mo ago
AI generated music has started to ruin most music on YouTube for me. My feed is starting to get crammed with artists and DJ sets of things like "1 Hour of Cowboy Western Songs to Listen to While Traveling Through the Frontier". Is it real music? Probably not because the thumbnail is plastered with Pepe memes and other rubbish. We starting to get to the point where music is like Low-background steel - as in it existed before the advent of AI slop. And before someone asks "bUt iT dOeSn'T mAtTeR hOw iT's mAdE, iT's aLl aBuOt wHaT tHe eNd rEsUlT iS" Yes, it does matter to me. Making art to me is about all the small decisions taken along the way to arrive at the final piece. When it hasn't gone through that process then I feel nothing when I listen or view it. Actually, I don't feel nothing, I feel deceived.
- userbinator 6mo ago
  Opposing viewpoint: discovered AI music without even realising it was AI, and now pleased with getting effectively infinite free entertainment. Just like human-made music, there's a lot of bad and mediocre, but occasionally great music. It's not like humans were creating in a void either --- everything is a derivative work.
  - galleywest200 6mo ago
    Another opposing viewpoint: there is already so much human made music on YouTube you already had “effectively infinite free entertainment”. You are paying money to YouTube (or watching ads) for work nobody put any effort into. I would rather pay a human artist.
  - array_key_first 6mo ago
    The bottleneck has not been the amount of music. You had effectively infinite music before So, when you have infinite music, you then have to look to qualitative differentiating factors. Like, say, the artist themselves. And if they're AI.
  - add-sub-mul-div 6mo ago
    I can't imagine music as just its surface product. It would feel so much emptier without the added subtext of the artist and creation.
userbinator 6mo ago
Previously on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976
ChrisArchitect 6mo ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976

123 points by lando2319 6mo ago

xvxvx 6mo ago

YouTube is not an innocent party in this new fraudulent ecosystem. It was literally built on piracy.

DaiPlusPlus 6mo ago
Right; in 2006-2007 we all watched uploaded rips of The Simpsons between class in high-school; Original content on YouTube had a really limited appeal.
obscurette 6mo ago
Youtube is one of the best platforms in this regard - it is possible that they react. Good luck with FB, Instagram or TikTok.

garciansmith 6mo ago

https://xcancel.com/i/status/2040577536136974444 https://xcancel.com/i/status/2040577536136974444

hamasho 6mo ago

AI-generated content should have the same amount of copyright as prompt texts. You can't claim copyright for the text "Rock music with angry vocals and 160 bpm with a guitar solo". But I think training models using copyrighted content is stealing in the first place. It's not fair use, so it should be banned entirely.

ceejayoz 6mo ago
> AI-generated content should have the same amount of copyright as prompt texts. That's about right currently. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-declines-hear-dispute-over-copyrights-ai-generated-material-2026-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-de... "Plaintiff Stephen Thaler had appealed to the justices after lower courts upheld a U.S. Copyright Office decision that the AI-crafted visual art at issue in the case was ineligible for copyright protection because it did not have a human creator."
hperrin 6mo ago
I have great news for you. It has even less copyright. A prompt text you write, if sufficiently creative enough, is copyrighted. The output of an AI, no matter how “creative”, is always pubic domain. https://sciactive.com/human-contribution-policy/#More-Information https://sciactive.com/human-contribution-policy/#More-Inform...
- userbinator 6mo ago
  pubic domain. Only certain types of AI output.
  - hperrin 5mo ago
    All large language model output, unless it is infringing someone else’s copyright, is public domain. Did you read the quotes from the copyright office I linked to?

Rodeoclash 6mo ago

AI generated music has started to ruin most music on YouTube for me. My feed is starting to get crammed with artists and DJ sets of things like "1 Hour of Cowboy Western Songs to Listen to While Traveling Through the Frontier". Is it real music? Probably not because the thumbnail is plastered with Pepe memes and other rubbish. We starting to get to the point where music is like Low-background steel - as in it existed before the advent of AI slop. And before someone asks "bUt iT dOeSn'T mAtTeR hOw iT's mAdE, iT's aLl aBuOt wHaT tHe eNd rEsUlT iS" Yes, it does matter to me. Making art to me is about all the small decisions taken along the way to arrive at the final piece. When it hasn't gone through that process then I feel nothing when I listen or view it. Actually, I don't feel nothing, I feel deceived.

userbinator 6mo ago
Opposing viewpoint: discovered AI music without even realising it was AI, and now pleased with getting effectively infinite free entertainment. Just like human-made music, there's a lot of bad and mediocre, but occasionally great music. It's not like humans were creating in a void either --- everything is a derivative work.
- galleywest200 6mo ago
  Another opposing viewpoint: there is already so much human made music on YouTube you already had “effectively infinite free entertainment”. You are paying money to YouTube (or watching ads) for work nobody put any effort into. I would rather pay a human artist.
- array_key_first 6mo ago
  The bottleneck has not been the amount of music. You had effectively infinite music before So, when you have infinite music, you then have to look to qualitative differentiating factors. Like, say, the artist themselves. And if they're AI.
- add-sub-mul-div 6mo ago
  I can't imagine music as just its surface product. It would feel so much emptier without the added subtext of the artist and creation.

userbinator 6mo ago

Previously on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976

ChrisArchitect 6mo ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47645976