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It isn't web based? It's a set of Lua scripts that run locally

squeaky-clean 6mo ago
They are saying web based solutions often out perform LÖVE, even though you would expect the opposite because LÖVE doesn't have the bloat of a browser engine.
- usrnm 6mo ago
  Browser engines are probably some of the most optimized pieces of software in existence, so it doesn't surprise me at all.
  - wiseowise 6mo ago
    Explain this to electron haters.
    - krapp 6mo ago
      Browser engines are optimized for displaying web pages, not for applications. 60MB+ for a calculator is not optimal.
      - hu3 6mo ago
        explain that to my webgl TypeScript browser game running at 180+ FPS while rendering a large RPG tiled world with infinite procedurally JIT generated biomes, with heavy processing delegated to webworkers.
        krapp 6mo ago
        As you aren't posting code or stats I can't say much, but I'd bet a native app would still be smaller and more efficient, since you have to wrap what you're doing in an entire Chromium instance and deal with a web stack designed for documents, which is definitionally less efficient than a native alternative. Tiles aren't exactly cutting edge technology. "Heavy processing delegated to webworkers?" That just sounds like threads but worse.
        hu3 5mo ago
        yep, native is faster for sure. but webgl + web workers is good enough these days. I can't share code sorry, the project got big and I have commercial plans. But you can tell Gemini 3.1, Opus 4.6 or GPT 5.4 High to generate a demo and they do a decent job most of the times. that's how I got started, seeing how it was possible to have good game performance with multi threaded workloads on a browser.
        wiseowise 5mo ago
        Nobody ever said in the thread that web is the most efficient platform, stop with your “designed for documents” trauma already.
        krapp 5mo ago
        The first post in this subthread was literally a statement that "A web-based solution is usually better performing, despite all the bloatware necessary." And you literally joined in to support that assertion against "the Electron haters." And it isn't trauma, it's literal fact. Electron isn't used because it's technically superior to native applications, it's used because web devs are a dime a dozen. It's popular for business reasons, not technical reasons. It works "well enough," but only because computers are really fast but there's only so much slack an OS can take up when even parts of it are Electron apps, and probably vibe-coded to boot.
        sph 5mo ago
        Meanwhile that same computer could probably run Counter Strike at 400 FPS.
    - QuadmasterXLII 6mo ago
      step 1 htop there isnt step 2, explain is over
  - CyberDildonics 6mo ago
    Love2D uses Luajit and directly calls established game libraries. The CPU usage should be far better for 2D games, luajit is faster than a browser's javascript jit. You can also create single exe games that are a few megabytes and not a few hundred megabytes.
  - sph 5mo ago
    Optimized abstraction layer is still an abstraction layer. The web is like two or three of those.

They are saying web based solutions often out perform LÖVE, even though you would expect the opposite because LÖVE doesn't have the bloat of a browser engine.

usrnm 6mo ago
Browser engines are probably some of the most optimized pieces of software in existence, so it doesn't surprise me at all.
- wiseowise 6mo ago
  Explain this to electron haters.
  - krapp 6mo ago
    Browser engines are optimized for displaying web pages, not for applications. 60MB+ for a calculator is not optimal.
    - hu3 6mo ago
      explain that to my webgl TypeScript browser game running at 180+ FPS while rendering a large RPG tiled world with infinite procedurally JIT generated biomes, with heavy processing delegated to webworkers.
      - krapp 6mo ago
        As you aren't posting code or stats I can't say much, but I'd bet a native app would still be smaller and more efficient, since you have to wrap what you're doing in an entire Chromium instance and deal with a web stack designed for documents, which is definitionally less efficient than a native alternative. Tiles aren't exactly cutting edge technology. "Heavy processing delegated to webworkers?" That just sounds like threads but worse.
        hu3 5mo ago
        yep, native is faster for sure. but webgl + web workers is good enough these days. I can't share code sorry, the project got big and I have commercial plans. But you can tell Gemini 3.1, Opus 4.6 or GPT 5.4 High to generate a demo and they do a decent job most of the times. that's how I got started, seeing how it was possible to have good game performance with multi threaded workloads on a browser.
        wiseowise 5mo ago
        Nobody ever said in the thread that web is the most efficient platform, stop with your “designed for documents” trauma already.
        krapp 5mo ago
        The first post in this subthread was literally a statement that "A web-based solution is usually better performing, despite all the bloatware necessary." And you literally joined in to support that assertion against "the Electron haters." And it isn't trauma, it's literal fact. Electron isn't used because it's technically superior to native applications, it's used because web devs are a dime a dozen. It's popular for business reasons, not technical reasons. It works "well enough," but only because computers are really fast but there's only so much slack an OS can take up when even parts of it are Electron apps, and probably vibe-coded to boot.
      - sph 5mo ago
        Meanwhile that same computer could probably run Counter Strike at 400 FPS.
  - QuadmasterXLII 6mo ago
    step 1 htop there isnt step 2, explain is over
- CyberDildonics 6mo ago
  Love2D uses Luajit and directly calls established game libraries. The CPU usage should be far better for 2D games, luajit is faster than a browser's javascript jit. You can also create single exe games that are a few megabytes and not a few hundred megabytes.
- sph 5mo ago
  Optimized abstraction layer is still an abstraction layer. The web is like two or three of those.