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Emotion is mainly encoded in tone and body language. It is somewhat difficult to transport emotion using words. I don't think you can guess my current emotional

Emotion is mainly encoded in tone and body language. It is somewhat difficult to transport emotion using words. I don't think you can guess my current emotional state while I am writing this, but if you'd see my face it would be easy for you.

pbhjpbhj 6mo ago
Dammit, you cheated though! Why must you always do that? In your sentences it doesn't matter what your emotional state is, it makes no difference; bit like life really. Hopefully, you can see that at least my chosen sentences have an emotional aspect? An LLM could add emotional values to my previous sentences that a TTS can use for tonal variation, for example.
- elcritch 6mo ago
  Makes me wonder: are there Unicode code points for tone of voice? If not could there be?
  - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 6mo ago
    If you think in terms of quantum mechanics and density matrices across higher dimensions, then, yes there are interesting geometries that arise. I’m exploring some “branes” that might cleanly filter in emotional space.
  - Kim_Bruning 6mo ago
    Yes, but HN apparantly filters them hard. https://www.unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html https://www.unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html
- viralsink 6mo ago
  I can read your example in three different tonalities, of which one is the likeliest. Depending on our relationship, the interpretation could differ. The point is, the OP suggested that emotions are just a feature of language. I argue that text is one of the worst transmission channels for emotion. But I don't argue that it's not possible at all to do so, if you suggest that. That would be just silly.
  - Kim_Bruning 6mo ago
    Fiction writers practice really hard on this, and I'd argue that they tend to be -in the main- successful. Ish. There can still be multiple readings of a book. Ok, I argued myself in, out, and back into that one again. It depends on the writer and the book, but a lot of writers can invoke emotion in their writing. Fun experiment: Take a piece of creative writing (a short story); [not one of the obviously ambiguous ones, d'oh ... or do! ] and decide how it makes you feel. Ask an LLM the same question. See how far you diverge. Some LLMs give answers pretty similar to humans! If you picked an ambiguous story, see what happens if you ask for multiple readings.

pbhjpbhj 6mo ago

Dammit, you cheated though! Why must you always do that? In your sentences it doesn't matter what your emotional state is, it makes no difference; bit like life really. Hopefully, you can see that at least my chosen sentences have an emotional aspect? An LLM could add emotional values to my previous sentences that a TTS can use for tonal variation, for example.

elcritch 6mo ago
Makes me wonder: are there Unicode code points for tone of voice? If not could there be?
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 6mo ago
  If you think in terms of quantum mechanics and density matrices across higher dimensions, then, yes there are interesting geometries that arise. I’m exploring some “branes” that might cleanly filter in emotional space.
- Kim_Bruning 6mo ago
  Yes, but HN apparantly filters them hard. https://www.unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html https://www.unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html
viralsink 6mo ago
I can read your example in three different tonalities, of which one is the likeliest. Depending on our relationship, the interpretation could differ. The point is, the OP suggested that emotions are just a feature of language. I argue that text is one of the worst transmission channels for emotion. But I don't argue that it's not possible at all to do so, if you suggest that. That would be just silly.
- Kim_Bruning 6mo ago
  Fiction writers practice really hard on this, and I'd argue that they tend to be -in the main- successful. Ish. There can still be multiple readings of a book. Ok, I argued myself in, out, and back into that one again. It depends on the writer and the book, but a lot of writers can invoke emotion in their writing. Fun experiment: Take a piece of creative writing (a short story); [not one of the obviously ambiguous ones, d'oh ... or do! ] and decide how it makes you feel. Ask an LLM the same question. See how far you diverge. Some LLMs give answers pretty similar to humans! If you picked an ambiguous story, see what happens if you ask for multiple readings.