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>Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of us

by dimmke 6mo ago

>Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage not just blanket ban it

satvikpendem 6mo ago
Why "should" they? There's no reason they would especially when their competitor now owns OpenClaw.
- dimmke 6mo ago
  Because a big part of Anthropic's story is that they build based on how people actually use AI. Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. Throttling them and calling it done is inconsistent with that.
  - satvikpendem 6mo ago
    Sorry to tell you but generally any company's "story" is all marketing and PR, if it interferes with their making money, which it does in this case, that company will not hesitate to leave it behind.
  - bergheim 6mo ago
    Oh the billion bollar vc backed pre ipo companys story was this? Omg and they somehow are not delivering up to your standards? Damn they better get their act together lest people like you will whine on twitter about them losing their way
  - lelanthran 6mo ago
    > Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. You got that right; in this case they are signalling that AI token providers are not going to be able to run at a profit anytime soon. Not sure if that helps or hurts your argument, though.
  - 2000UltraDeluxe 6mo ago
    > Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. Not all power users. Some re-invent the wheel and/or do things inefficiently, and in most cases there's no business incentive to adapt the service to fit the usage patterns of those users, or of other users that deviate from the norm in regards to resource usage.
  - saaaaaam 6mo ago
    They build based on how _people_ use AI.
- aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
  > Why "should" they? Because it is clear that there is a market demand for it.
  - coldtea 6mo ago
    There is also a clear market demand for $10 bills sold for $5, but I don't see you tapping into that opportunity!
    - aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
      I didn't write anything about pricing. I just claim that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction, and because there is clear evidence of such a demand, it would make sense for Anthropic to prepare such an offering.
      - coldtea 6mo ago
        >I didn't write anything about pricing Yes, and that's exactly the problem I'm pointig at. Your comment "that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction" ignores the pricing burden of that, which is why it's confused why Anthropic don't just offer this.
      - lelanthran 6mo ago
        > I didn't write anything about pricing. I just claim that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction, The API has no restrictions; what is the people's objection to that?
      - PKop 6mo ago
        Then you mean the API, and if that's not sufficient, then you do have an issue with wanting something for nothing.
what 6mo ago
They did figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates that type of usage: pay for your tokens.
guiambros 6mo ago
They did: just use the metered API.
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lelanthran 6mo ago
> Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage They did, didn't they? You can pay the non-plan rate. > not just blanket ban it They didn't do that. The email specifically tells you how to use Openclaw with Anthropic. There is no "blanket ban".
throwthrowuknow 6mo ago
Don’t cry while you’re ruining it for everyone.
NeutralCrane 6mo ago
Isn’t that just usage based charges?

by dimmke 6mo ago

>Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage not just blanket ban it

satvikpendem 6mo ago

Why "should" they? There's no reason they would especially when their competitor now owns OpenClaw.

dimmke 6mo ago
Because a big part of Anthropic's story is that they build based on how people actually use AI. Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. Throttling them and calling it done is inconsistent with that.
- satvikpendem 6mo ago
  Sorry to tell you but generally any company's "story" is all marketing and PR, if it interferes with their making money, which it does in this case, that company will not hesitate to leave it behind.
- bergheim 6mo ago
  Oh the billion bollar vc backed pre ipo companys story was this? Omg and they somehow are not delivering up to your standards? Damn they better get their act together lest people like you will whine on twitter about them losing their way
- lelanthran 6mo ago
  > Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. You got that right; in this case they are signalling that AI token providers are not going to be able to run at a profit anytime soon. Not sure if that helps or hurts your argument, though.
- 2000UltraDeluxe 6mo ago
  > Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. Not all power users. Some re-invent the wheel and/or do things inefficiently, and in most cases there's no business incentive to adapt the service to fit the usage patterns of those users, or of other users that deviate from the norm in regards to resource usage.
- saaaaaam 6mo ago
  They build based on how _people_ use AI.
aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
> Why "should" they? Because it is clear that there is a market demand for it.
- coldtea 6mo ago
  There is also a clear market demand for $10 bills sold for $5, but I don't see you tapping into that opportunity!
  - aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
    I didn't write anything about pricing. I just claim that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction, and because there is clear evidence of such a demand, it would make sense for Anthropic to prepare such an offering.
    - coldtea 6mo ago
      >I didn't write anything about pricing Yes, and that's exactly the problem I'm pointig at. Your comment "that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction" ignores the pricing burden of that, which is why it's confused why Anthropic don't just offer this.
    - lelanthran 6mo ago
      > I didn't write anything about pricing. I just claim that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction, The API has no restrictions; what is the people's objection to that?
    - PKop 6mo ago
      Then you mean the API, and if that's not sufficient, then you do have an issue with wanting something for nothing.

what 6mo ago

They did figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates that type of usage: pay for your tokens.

guiambros 6mo ago

They did: just use the metered API.

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lelanthran 6mo ago

> Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage They did, didn't they? You can pay the non-plan rate. > not just blanket ban it They didn't do that. The email specifically tells you how to use Openclaw with Anthropic. There is no "blanket ban".

throwthrowuknow 6mo ago

Don’t cry while you’re ruining it for everyone.

NeutralCrane 6mo ago

Isn’t that just usage based charges?