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I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $2
by dimmke 6mo ago
I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast.
I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly rate limited when it's trying to read 1-2 files.
It just sucks. This whole landscape is still emerging, but if this is what it's like now, pre enshittification, when these companies have shitloads of money - it's going to be so much worse when they start to tighten the screws.
Right now my own incentive is to stop being dependent on Claude for as much as I can as quickly as I can.
- harrall 6mo agoThis is how free drink refills, airplane tickets, Internet service, unlimited data plans, insurance, flat rate shipping, monthly transit passes, Netflix, Apple Music, gym memberships, museum memberships, car wash plans, amusement park passes, all you can eat buffets, news subscriptions, and many more work. Either you get a flat rate fee based on certain allowed usage patterns or everyone has to be billed à la carte.
- dimmke 6mo agoThis is a different case - those all have limitations based on human behavior (it's not necessary or possible to constantly be washing your car the entire month when you pay for unlimited washes) - that doesn't exist here. The types of plans available should reflect that reality. If gyms faced a situation where people would go and spend 18 hours working out every day for a month, they would probably change how they billed things. Your comparisons are all also "unlimited" situations to Claude's very much limited situation. You can't buy a plan for Claude that is marketed as being unlimited. They're already selling people metered usage. They're just also adding restrictions on top of that.
- coldtea 6mo agoThey sell metered usage while having the implied expectation that most wont use it fully. Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. So they further restricted the metered caps, which were only offered to NOT be reached by that many. Simple as that.
- dimmke 6mo ago>Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage not just blanket ban it
- satvikpendem 6mo agoWhy "should" they? There's no reason they would especially when their competitor now owns OpenClaw.
- dimmke 6mo agoBecause a big part of Anthropic's story is that they build based on how people actually use AI. Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. Throttling them and calling it done is inconsistent with that.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoSorry to tell you but generally any company's "story" is all marketing and PR, if it interferes with their making money, which it does in this case, that company will not hesitate to leave it behind.
- bergheim 6mo agoOh the billion bollar vc backed pre ipo companys story was this? Omg and they somehow are not delivering up to your standards? Damn they better get their act together lest people like you will whine on twitter about them losing their way
- taneq 6mo agoThe commons? Tragic.
- TeMPOraL 6mo agoà la carte is honest; overprovisioning just slows progress by preventing demand from creating pressure to innovate proper solutions.
- Aerroon 6mo agoRent doesn't work that way... yet. Imagine if it did though, people would be arguing: "Well, you're not expected to be able to live in that home the entire month that you paid for!"
- rvba 6mo agoInternet service and unlimited data plans work like this though.
- boppo1 6mo ago>Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I'm sorry is there anything even close to sonnet, much less opus, that can be run on a 4080? Or 64gb of ram, even slowly?
- satvikpendem 6mo agoQwen 3.5, Gemma 4
- Alexzoofficial 6mo ago[flagged]
- Kim_Bruning 6mo agoLook for the current crop of local Mixture of Experts models, where it seems like they've made inroads on the O(n^2) context attention cost problem. Several folks have mentioned Qwen, but there's many more of that ilk. Several of them actually score really high on benchmarks. But when I mess with one of them locally by hand myself, (I have a 3090), it feels a bit like last year's Sonnet. They don't quite make the leaps of understanding you get from Opus. * Weird thing of the day: https://huggingface.co/Jackrong/Qwen3.5-27B-Claude-4.6-Opus-Reasoning-Distilled https://huggingface.co/Jackrong/Qwen3.5-27B-Claude-4.6-Opus-...
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- zozbot234 6mo agoYou can run SOTA local MoE models very slowly by streaming the weights in from a fast PCIe 5 SSD. Kimi 2.5 (generally considered in the ballpark of current sonnet, not opus of course) has been measured as 2 tok/s on Apple M5 hardware, which is the best-case performance unless you have niche HEDT hardware with lots of PCIe lanes to attach storage to and figure out how to use that amount of parallel transfer throughput.
- TeMPOraL 6mo ago
- username44 6mo agoYou can use the API with CC, you just need to log out and log in, selecting API usage.
- lelanthran 6mo ago> I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. What do you expect them to do? You are looking at a business currently running at a loss, and complaining about their billing even though this is not a price-rise? Unrelated, is it still possible to use $10k/m worth of tokens on their $200/plan?
- alwillis 6mo agoThey seem to know what they’re doing. Anthropic entered 2025 with a run rate of $1 billion; the run rate for March 2026 is estimated at $19 billion. Internal projections show the company reaching cash-flow break-even in 2028, after stopping cash burn in 2027. They’ve already implemented several of the features that put OpenClaw on the map.
- lelanthran 6mo ago> Anthropic entered 2025 with a run rate of $1 billion; the run rate for March 2026 is estimated at $19 billion. I don't know what that means in this context. > Internal projections show the company reaching cash-flow break-even in 2028, after stopping cash burn in 2027. What does that have to do with them implementing restrictions on their plans because they are currently running at a loss? Okay, lets say their internal projections[1] are accurate: were those before or after Openclaw released? Maybe their projections were made on the assumption that people would stop using $10k/m worth of tokens on a $200/m plan? Or that those users doing that will only be doing code? Or that the plan users won't be running requests at a rate of 5/minute, every minute of every hour of every day? -------------------------------- [1] Where did you find those projections? I'm skeptical, at their current prices and current plans, that a break-even at any point in the future is possible unless they shut off or severely scale down training. Running at a per-unit loss means that the more you sell, the larger your loss - increasing your sales increases your loss.
- crote 6mo agoIf you can do less for the same price, that is in effect a price increase.
- Alexzoofficial 6mo ago[flagged]
- trashface 6mo agoWe can hope that they optimize the models. I still think its going to be very hard for them to charge $100 or $200 a month at scale from many people, especially with AI "taking jobs". To the extent that happens most of those people won't find replacement income.