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They've fallen victim to a catastrophically easy scare tactic, unfortunately. "The sun only shines during the day therefore solar is bad!" Dumb, but easy.

declan_roberts 6mo ago
And in my experience as someone who is actually trying to DO something, is exactly right. But to be clear, it's less about night vs day and more about summer vs winter.
- caseysoftware 6mo ago
  ^ This. I had a 20kWh array and 18kWh of batteries in Texas and it was GREAT in the summer. It'd start charging by 6am and be charged by 9am, even with simultaneous usage. Then we'd live off solar for the day (even with HVAC), go back on batteries around 9pm and they'd be out around 4am. No problem. But during an overcast winter day, the stack wouldn't get power until 8/9, not make it to 50%, start discharging by 4/5pm, and be out by 10/11pm. It would easily be 8-10 hours where we were wholly dependent on the grid. Not a problem, just a constraint to acknowledge and plan for.
  - blackcatsec 5mo ago
    To be fair, though, electricity is usually cheaper at night. So discharging solar charged batteries well into the evening is still a net benefit for the grid (and your wallet).
applied_heat 6mo ago
In Toronto there is only daylight for 9 hours in winter Yes surely some days are cloudy So some days you get 5% capacity factor, and need some other energy source as well So it harms the economics of the venture Look at the profitability of companies building utility scale solar farms, they cost 100 million and the company hopes to get a 10% return and pay a 3% dividend. They still have to contend with moving parts for tracking the angle of the sun, fans on inverters, contactors, clearing snow, mowing grass, site drainage, tornadoes etc, so sometimes it is not as easy as it sounds All for a 7%? Why shouldn’t they just buy the s&p 500 and call it a day

declan_roberts 6mo ago

And in my experience as someone who is actually trying to DO something, is exactly right. But to be clear, it's less about night vs day and more about summer vs winter.

caseysoftware 6mo ago
^ This. I had a 20kWh array and 18kWh of batteries in Texas and it was GREAT in the summer. It'd start charging by 6am and be charged by 9am, even with simultaneous usage. Then we'd live off solar for the day (even with HVAC), go back on batteries around 9pm and they'd be out around 4am. No problem. But during an overcast winter day, the stack wouldn't get power until 8/9, not make it to 50%, start discharging by 4/5pm, and be out by 10/11pm. It would easily be 8-10 hours where we were wholly dependent on the grid. Not a problem, just a constraint to acknowledge and plan for.
- blackcatsec 5mo ago
  To be fair, though, electricity is usually cheaper at night. So discharging solar charged batteries well into the evening is still a net benefit for the grid (and your wallet).

applied_heat 6mo ago

In Toronto there is only daylight for 9 hours in winter Yes surely some days are cloudy So some days you get 5% capacity factor, and need some other energy source as well So it harms the economics of the venture Look at the profitability of companies building utility scale solar farms, they cost 100 million and the company hopes to get a 10% return and pay a 3% dividend. They still have to contend with moving parts for tracking the angle of the sun, fans on inverters, contactors, clearing snow, mowing grass, site drainage, tornadoes etc, so sometimes it is not as easy as it sounds All for a 7%? Why shouldn’t they just buy the s&p 500 and call it a day