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Well, Hitler was inspired by the american concentration camps for native americans to build his own concentration camps for Jews: “Hitler’s concept of concentr

by dobro 14y ago

Well, Hitler was inspired by the american concentration camps for native americans to build his own concentration camps for Jews: “Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.” (“Adolph Hitler” by John Toland, p 202) Plus, there were two to three times more native americans that were killed by European invaders in the US region, than Jews that died in the holocaust. So, the US already has HAD a holocaust problem in the past. (One would call dropping two bombs to 250,000 civilians and evaporating them, a holocaust itself, by the very definition of the term)

rayiner 14y ago
The US's extermination of American Indians was brilliant and cunning. If you study the historical record, one thing you become aware of is that the colonists didn't originally have the advantage. They had guns, but that wasn't so much of an edge that the Indians couldn't have wiped out the colonists with their superior numbers. Even at the time of the American Revolution, you see treaties with the Delaware Indians that are incredibly deferential, asking for their permission to cross Indian territory to fight the British. The exterimination proceeded slowly over almost 100 years. We would make treaties, at first deferential then increasingly aggressive, to placate the Indians while slowly moving them off desirable land. American numbers grew while Indian numbers dwindled, until we got to the state that exists now, with them isolated to tiny little pockets of land.
- dobro 14y ago
  Exactly as you described it. I had the privilege to discuss the issue with the late Russell Means ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means ) a few years ago. What's disgusting is that the abuse continues to this very day. First they were decimated, then they were forced into "reformation camps" to break their spirit, and then casino licenses and the like were thrown to them as a bone (and to corrupt and silence the more tempted or gullible with the easy money). The government and various interested parties even try to take some of their supposedly "sovereign" reservation lands from them and/or poison them to get profitable minerals such as Uranium.
  - rayiner 14y ago
    Have you seen this movie re: uranium mining on Navajo land? http://navajoboy.com/ http://navajoboy.com/ I met one of the creators of the movie in Chicago. One of the guys behind it, Jeff Spitz, is a very articulate advocate and has been following this story since 2000. His group followed up the movie with webisodes to update the story and use the movie to put pressure on the EPA.
    - dobro 14y ago
      No, looks interesting, I'll check it out. Thanks.
- rdl 14y ago
  What happened, from what I've read, is that initial contact put enough European disease into the population that the population and society collapsed; it was thus much easier for Europeans settling here to win. The Amazon was, allegedly, basically a garden at one point -- the natives the Spanish eventually encountered were just broken remains of a much larger civilization which had been successful and then disappeared. http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/1400032059/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352436503&sr=8-1&keywords=1491 http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Colum...
mosquito1961 14y ago
Hitler got his concentration camp Idea from the Soviet Jewish model. The soviets had the GULAGS and GAS chambers.THe only exception was that The Soviets camps were for extermination and Hitler’s camps were for labour and reformation back in to society.There is not one Nazi document that reveals an extermination program to this date .The bodies are being pushed in to pits by British bull dozers not German.All the rounding up of people anywhere anytime is horrific and deplorable.Freedom loving Americans could very well be next as our Government refused to go after the Soviets that attacked Poland as well.The US ,USSR and Great Britain now rule the world.This is the exact thing that they accused Hitler of allegedly trying to accomplish.Go figure.

by dobro 14y ago

rayiner 14y ago

The US's extermination of American Indians was brilliant and cunning. If you study the historical record, one thing you become aware of is that the colonists didn't originally have the advantage. They had guns, but that wasn't so much of an edge that the Indians couldn't have wiped out the colonists with their superior numbers. Even at the time of the American Revolution, you see treaties with the Delaware Indians that are incredibly deferential, asking for their permission to cross Indian territory to fight the British. The exterimination proceeded slowly over almost 100 years. We would make treaties, at first deferential then increasingly aggressive, to placate the Indians while slowly moving them off desirable land. American numbers grew while Indian numbers dwindled, until we got to the state that exists now, with them isolated to tiny little pockets of land.

dobro 14y ago
Exactly as you described it. I had the privilege to discuss the issue with the late Russell Means ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means ) a few years ago. What's disgusting is that the abuse continues to this very day. First they were decimated, then they were forced into "reformation camps" to break their spirit, and then casino licenses and the like were thrown to them as a bone (and to corrupt and silence the more tempted or gullible with the easy money). The government and various interested parties even try to take some of their supposedly "sovereign" reservation lands from them and/or poison them to get profitable minerals such as Uranium.
- rayiner 14y ago
  Have you seen this movie re: uranium mining on Navajo land? http://navajoboy.com/ http://navajoboy.com/ I met one of the creators of the movie in Chicago. One of the guys behind it, Jeff Spitz, is a very articulate advocate and has been following this story since 2000. His group followed up the movie with webisodes to update the story and use the movie to put pressure on the EPA.
  - dobro 14y ago
    No, looks interesting, I'll check it out. Thanks.
rdl 14y ago
What happened, from what I've read, is that initial contact put enough European disease into the population that the population and society collapsed; it was thus much easier for Europeans settling here to win. The Amazon was, allegedly, basically a garden at one point -- the natives the Spanish eventually encountered were just broken remains of a much larger civilization which had been successful and then disappeared. http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/1400032059/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352436503&sr=8-1&keywords=1491 http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Colum...

mosquito1961 14y ago

Hitler got his concentration camp Idea from the Soviet Jewish model. The soviets had the GULAGS and GAS chambers.THe only exception was that The Soviets camps were for extermination and Hitler’s camps were for labour and reformation back in to society.There is not one Nazi document that reveals an extermination program to this date .The bodies are being pushed in to pits by British bull dozers not German.All the rounding up of people anywhere anytime is horrific and deplorable.Freedom loving Americans could very well be next as our Government refused to go after the Soviets that attacked Poland as well.The US ,USSR and Great Britain now rule the world.This is the exact thing that they accused Hitler of allegedly trying to accomplish.Go figure.