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"It takes infantry to hold territory" is still true I guess, but now it's a single operator in a bunker.

• verdverm 6mo ago
  Perhaps in the dead man zone, not sure this would work well where there is civilian population.
  • bee_rider 6mo ago
    I haven’t heard “dead man zone” (although I don’t really engage much with military stuff so maybe it is just an expression I’m not familiar with). I think “no man’s land” is a pretty popular and similar expression. Out of curiosity, did you translate “dead man zone” from another language? I just find it interesting because it seems conceptually similar but much bleaker, so if it comes from, like, French or German or something maybe it reflects an even bleaker WW1 experience.
    • hkpack 6mo ago
      You can call it whatever you like: kill zone, gray zone, dead zone - everyone usually understands what does it means. Good article on what it is: https://texty.org.ua/projects/116021/20-kilometers-of-the-gray-zone-the-front-line-has-become-blurred/ https://texty.org.ua/projects/116021/20-kilometers-of-the-gr...
    • verdverm 6mo ago
      > I haven’t heard “dead man zone” It's the space between trenches. I've been watching a WW1 chronological documentary where they use it, but it's also been said in various ways, as you say. Said playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB2vhKMBjSxOb_127vxjaRRC7yu2TJlJX https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB2vhKMBjSxOb_127vxja... Time Ghost makes awesome chrono documentaries for the major wars. And a ton of mini series on special topics.
    • aleksiy123 6mo ago
      It seems like there could actually be a difference between them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man_zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man_zone - is related to bush fires but seems like it could apply to a battlefield? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_man%27s_land https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_man%27s_land Something more akin to actually being in "measure" or strike distance vs just contested territory in between? Edit: Sibling comment I think clears it up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_zone
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    • overfeed 6mo ago
      > I think “no man’s land” is a pretty popular and similar expression. No man's land is generic and is used in other non-combat scenarios, it could appear in an HOA pamphlet. I like "dead man's zone" or "kill zone" as it clearly communicates both the contestation and lethality very clearly.
      • verdverm 6mo ago
        During WW1, many bodies which remained in the zone between the trenches, unable to be removed, so it became an accurate description