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Must be nice for western arm chair commentators to discuss this without once feeling the consequences of the actions of their elected government. Where I live

Must be nice for western arm chair commentators to discuss this without once feeling the consequences of the actions of their elected government. Where I live - we face a severe shortage of LPG fuel due to this. Quite a few restaurants have shut down temporarily. Migrant workers around the parts who have no access to a kitchen because they live in tiny quarters with a bedding and a common toilet are struggling to find sustainable food. Acquaintances who own workshop are running around trying to figure out food arrangements for their employees. And we are not even party to this shitty war! We are making do with electric alternatives but thats also because we are in the top 5%. Our household staff are struggling to figure out the situation. Induction gas stoves are either stocked our or selling for 3-4x their regular price. Even if they get access to one - electric supply is unreliable and they are not sure how to pay the bill. Electricity usage is subsidized (its free upto 200 Kwh / month) but if it exceeds that they will have to pay full price which hurts their budget quite a lot.

alsetmusic 6mo ago
> Must be nice for western arm chair commentators to discuss this without once feeling the consequences of the actions of their elected government. You're right. But you're also wrong. People who voted for this admin have been (and are being) deported. Or someone they know. Or their employees aren't showing up. Or, for some of us, we worry that someone close to us is at risk any day now. I didn't vote for the asshole, but many are feeling the consequences. They can ignore some of them and they might have much more relief from the outcome, but a lot of people are suffering. Meanwhile, rah-rah dumbasses think he can do no wrong and buy into propaganda that tells them why it's someone else's fault that they're worse off.
foo12bar 6mo ago
Solar cooker?
pjc50 6mo ago
Which country is this?
- coderedart 6mo ago
  very likely to be India. - Plenty of sources online about the LPG crisis, as the govt has invoked essential commodities act (gives govt extra powers to crush black market and force companies to prioritize distribution to domestic households over industrial use cases). - E-commerce like amazon/flipkart have also run out of induction stoves (or selling at a premium like RAM). - Electricity is a state subject, and two of the south India states (bangalore-KT/hyderabad-TG) offer free electricity up to 200 units for low-income households under "gruha jyothi scheme"
mothballed 6mo ago
I used an MSR international stove when I was homeless. 1L of some sort of fuel (it takes gasoline, white gas, kerosene, etc) would last me at least a week and at least one form of fuel it accepts can usually be obtained somehow from somewhere. If you can come up with 1 gal gas / person / month it will cook rice or boil some meat easy enough. Of course if there is not even enough gas for 1 ga / person / month I think you are in deeper shit because there's not enough to even transport basic needed supplies and you are probably using mules like in Cuba (in which case, hopefully you can chop down a tree for wood).
Ajedi32 6mo ago
Blocking the strait is Iran's doing, not the US's. The US attacked them yes, but they were the ones who responded by threatening to blow up the ships of innocent third parties. They couldn't hurt the US, so they decided to hurt you instead. Why the world is tolerating this behavior as if it's a legitimate strategy and blaming it on the US is beyond me.
- AngryData 6mo ago
  What do you mean its not the US's doing? They knew 100% before going in that the straight being closed would be the result of attacking Iran. If the US didn't attack Iran, there would be no blockade. Its like going into a bar and you start beating people up and so the bar owner kicks everyone out and then you say "It's not my fault the bar closed, it's the bar owner's fault, I merely started the fight that caused the bar to close!"
  - Ajedi32 6mo ago
    Iran doesn't own the strait. They don't have a right to close the bar in the first place. If one guy throws a punch and the other guy responds by throwing a molotov cocktail into the kitchen you don't charge the first guy with arson, even if he "should have known that second guy was crazy".
    - AngryData 6mo ago
      If the other guy is literally holding a molotov in his hand saying "If you attack me im going to throw this" and then you attack him anyways, then yes it is 50% your fault. You knew what would happen before you did it.
      - Ajedi32 6mo ago
        I disagree. Besides, if a guy is making threats like that you should have the police come in to remove him, or maybe even SWAT if it's a credible deadly threat. Threatening harm to uninvolved third parties is not a tactic that should be afforded any legitimacy, which capitulation certainly does.

alsetmusic 6mo ago

> Must be nice for western arm chair commentators to discuss this without once feeling the consequences of the actions of their elected government. You're right. But you're also wrong. People who voted for this admin have been (and are being) deported. Or someone they know. Or their employees aren't showing up. Or, for some of us, we worry that someone close to us is at risk any day now. I didn't vote for the asshole, but many are feeling the consequences. They can ignore some of them and they might have much more relief from the outcome, but a lot of people are suffering. Meanwhile, rah-rah dumbasses think he can do no wrong and buy into propaganda that tells them why it's someone else's fault that they're worse off.

foo12bar 6mo ago

Solar cooker?

pjc50 6mo ago

Which country is this?

coderedart 6mo ago
very likely to be India. - Plenty of sources online about the LPG crisis, as the govt has invoked essential commodities act (gives govt extra powers to crush black market and force companies to prioritize distribution to domestic households over industrial use cases). - E-commerce like amazon/flipkart have also run out of induction stoves (or selling at a premium like RAM). - Electricity is a state subject, and two of the south India states (bangalore-KT/hyderabad-TG) offer free electricity up to 200 units for low-income households under "gruha jyothi scheme"

mothballed 6mo ago

I used an MSR international stove when I was homeless. 1L of some sort of fuel (it takes gasoline, white gas, kerosene, etc) would last me at least a week and at least one form of fuel it accepts can usually be obtained somehow from somewhere. If you can come up with 1 gal gas / person / month it will cook rice or boil some meat easy enough. Of course if there is not even enough gas for 1 ga / person / month I think you are in deeper shit because there's not enough to even transport basic needed supplies and you are probably using mules like in Cuba (in which case, hopefully you can chop down a tree for wood).

Ajedi32 6mo ago

Blocking the strait is Iran's doing, not the US's. The US attacked them yes, but they were the ones who responded by threatening to blow up the ships of innocent third parties. They couldn't hurt the US, so they decided to hurt you instead. Why the world is tolerating this behavior as if it's a legitimate strategy and blaming it on the US is beyond me.

AngryData 6mo ago
What do you mean its not the US's doing? They knew 100% before going in that the straight being closed would be the result of attacking Iran. If the US didn't attack Iran, there would be no blockade. Its like going into a bar and you start beating people up and so the bar owner kicks everyone out and then you say "It's not my fault the bar closed, it's the bar owner's fault, I merely started the fight that caused the bar to close!"
- Ajedi32 6mo ago
  Iran doesn't own the strait. They don't have a right to close the bar in the first place. If one guy throws a punch and the other guy responds by throwing a molotov cocktail into the kitchen you don't charge the first guy with arson, even if he "should have known that second guy was crazy".
  - AngryData 6mo ago
    If the other guy is literally holding a molotov in his hand saying "If you attack me im going to throw this" and then you attack him anyways, then yes it is 50% your fault. You knew what would happen before you did it.
    - Ajedi32 6mo ago
      I disagree. Besides, if a guy is making threats like that you should have the police come in to remove him, or maybe even SWAT if it's a credible deadly threat. Threatening harm to uninvolved third parties is not a tactic that should be afforded any legitimacy, which capitulation certainly does.