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That is a misleading headline. Italy refused landing to flights outside normal operations without a prior request. We don't know how the Italian government wo

by michael1999 6mo ago

That is a misleading headline. Italy refused landing to flights outside normal operations without a prior request. We don't know how the Italian government would respond to a request if the US took the time to make one.

Waterluvian 6mo ago
> […]if the US took the time to make one. Is it normal for the Americans to behave this way or is this new procedure?
- atakan_gurkan 6mo ago
  I really wish that people would distinguish between "Americans" and "the US government" (and between the latter and the Trump regime) more clearly. I am Turkish and when I am associated with the behaviour of the Turkish government (which happens when I am abroad), it is very unpleasant. I lived in the States for 7 years and have many friends there. I am guessing they would similarly find this association unpleasant.
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  - Waterluvian 6mo ago
    It should feel unpleasant. I don't believe Americans are a victim of an oppressive regime and I don't think they get to abdicate responsibility for their government's actions by asking the world to make that distinction. Because I certainly don't get a choice of who I trade with and who is threatening my country's existence. To put simply: the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. If we get to a point where Americans by and large do not believe they have any power over their democracy, and that they're helpless victims of an oppressive government, I think my perspective would change in the same way I don't think Iranians are to be expected to deal with their government. I should be clear because this is a very pointed perspective: I don't dislike Americans. As a Canadian it's inevitable that I am close friends with countless Americans. There's a number of them in my very close family. But I believe they bear responsibility for their government because I believe the U.S. is, for now, still a democracy.
    - cmxch 6mo ago
      > the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. And I’ll vote for the people that prevent and/or limit the damage you wish to cause to the current administration and its supporters. Especially if it means using privacy laws to prevent doxxing of such individuals or any adverse action against them.
      - donkeybeer 6mo ago
        Who said anything about doxxing? It's no surprise you support that administration given you make up fake threats in your head like this.
        cindyllm 6mo ago
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        cmxch 6mo ago
        Well, your approach requires the collection of identities associated with particular political alignment(s). And that you need both pieces linked together for it to work - where neither alignment nor identity mean anything separately. Aside from public figures, that is very much in the realm of doxxing.
        donkeybeer 6mo ago
        You don't need to gather any identifies to document simply quite a stupid group that will gladly scream out to the world of their own accord how stupid it is. Magas don't even need any one else, they are quite happy to screech mindlessly anywhere and everywhere. And you still didn't say how you will "prevent" others from embarassing the administration and it's voters without violating 1A or even why you feel so triggered at criticisms of these idiots that you get so passionate to the point of violating the constitution to prevent them being shown for their stupidities.
  - patrickmcnamara 6mo ago
    Americans should stop voting in governments like this then.
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    - swat535 6mo ago
      Majority of them didn't want this government, but US elections can be gamed.
      - patrickmcnamara 6mo ago
        The majority could have voted for a different government if they didn't want this one. I could understand this argument somewhere else, but the US has fair elections and voted for this twice.
        gulfofamerica 6mo ago
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    - expedition32 6mo ago
      In fairness America doesn't work like Europe. The president can just start a war without asking for permission from the people nor parliament.
  - LtWorf 6mo ago
    Apparently Usians living in sweden have been complaining that swedes assume they aren't trump supporters. edit: also it's the USA doctrine to oppress people whose government you dislike in the hope that they might rebel, so in their case it's completely fair.
foragerdev 6mo ago
So, EU members will keep preaching peace and humanity and still keep doing contrary to that.
- izacus 6mo ago
  Which ones were that?
  - foragerdev 6mo ago
    History is full of such incidents. Isn't US have been using EU air space to conduct strikes in other countries? Is not EU kept silence for the election stolen in Pakistan? Is EU kept silence when hundreds of people were killed by Pakistan Army in 2024 and 2025? Is not EU kept Pakistan 2024 election report unpublished for 2 years? Why do EU support Pakistan Army's illegal rule? Oh, and Isn't NATO has been killing in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan?

Waterluvian 6mo ago

> […]if the US took the time to make one. Is it normal for the Americans to behave this way or is this new procedure?

atakan_gurkan 6mo ago
I really wish that people would distinguish between "Americans" and "the US government" (and between the latter and the Trump regime) more clearly. I am Turkish and when I am associated with the behaviour of the Turkish government (which happens when I am abroad), it is very unpleasant. I lived in the States for 7 years and have many friends there. I am guessing they would similarly find this association unpleasant.
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- Waterluvian 6mo ago
  It should feel unpleasant. I don't believe Americans are a victim of an oppressive regime and I don't think they get to abdicate responsibility for their government's actions by asking the world to make that distinction. Because I certainly don't get a choice of who I trade with and who is threatening my country's existence. To put simply: the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. If we get to a point where Americans by and large do not believe they have any power over their democracy, and that they're helpless victims of an oppressive government, I think my perspective would change in the same way I don't think Iranians are to be expected to deal with their government. I should be clear because this is a very pointed perspective: I don't dislike Americans. As a Canadian it's inevitable that I am close friends with countless Americans. There's a number of them in my very close family. But I believe they bear responsibility for their government because I believe the U.S. is, for now, still a democracy.
  - cmxch 6mo ago
    > the best peaceful tool I feel that I have to protect my children's future is to maximize the embarassment, shame, and personal disgust of those who the U.S Government represents. Those who have a vote and a voice in their town square. Those who can protest or strike. The goal is to make current levels of domestic inaction intolerable. I'm delighted by the No Kings turnout. That's a good start. And I’ll vote for the people that prevent and/or limit the damage you wish to cause to the current administration and its supporters. Especially if it means using privacy laws to prevent doxxing of such individuals or any adverse action against them.
    - donkeybeer 6mo ago
      Who said anything about doxxing? It's no surprise you support that administration given you make up fake threats in your head like this.
      - cindyllm 6mo ago
        [dead]
      - cmxch 6mo ago
        Well, your approach requires the collection of identities associated with particular political alignment(s). And that you need both pieces linked together for it to work - where neither alignment nor identity mean anything separately. Aside from public figures, that is very much in the realm of doxxing.
        donkeybeer 6mo ago
        You don't need to gather any identifies to document simply quite a stupid group that will gladly scream out to the world of their own accord how stupid it is. Magas don't even need any one else, they are quite happy to screech mindlessly anywhere and everywhere. And you still didn't say how you will "prevent" others from embarassing the administration and it's voters without violating 1A or even why you feel so triggered at criticisms of these idiots that you get so passionate to the point of violating the constitution to prevent them being shown for their stupidities.
- patrickmcnamara 6mo ago
  Americans should stop voting in governments like this then.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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  - swat535 6mo ago
    Majority of them didn't want this government, but US elections can be gamed.
    - patrickmcnamara 6mo ago
      The majority could have voted for a different government if they didn't want this one. I could understand this argument somewhere else, but the US has fair elections and voted for this twice.
      - gulfofamerica 6mo ago
        [dead]
  - expedition32 6mo ago
    In fairness America doesn't work like Europe. The president can just start a war without asking for permission from the people nor parliament.
- LtWorf 6mo ago
  Apparently Usians living in sweden have been complaining that swedes assume they aren't trump supporters. edit: also it's the USA doctrine to oppress people whose government you dislike in the hope that they might rebel, so in their case it's completely fair.

foragerdev 6mo ago

So, EU members will keep preaching peace and humanity and still keep doing contrary to that.

izacus 6mo ago
Which ones were that?
- foragerdev 6mo ago
  History is full of such incidents. Isn't US have been using EU air space to conduct strikes in other countries? Is not EU kept silence for the election stolen in Pakistan? Is EU kept silence when hundreds of people were killed by Pakistan Army in 2024 and 2025? Is not EU kept Pakistan 2024 election report unpublished for 2 years? Why do EU support Pakistan Army's illegal rule? Oh, and Isn't NATO has been killing in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan?