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And how do you draw the line between feeling progress and actually making progress?
by QuiDortDine 6mo ago
And how do you draw the line between feeling progress and actually making progress?
- layer8 6mo agoThe same way you distinguish between feeling like having a problem and actually having a problem.
- Forgeties79 6mo agoThis is needlessly flippant and not really the same thing. Determining progress in a therapy setting is usually a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client. An LLM is not a reliable agent to make that determination.
- layer8 6mo agoI didn’t claim that an LLM is that, and I fully agree that it is not. I’m saying that one is inherently one’s own judge of whether one has a problem. You go to a therapist when you feel you have a problem that warrants it. You stop going when you feel you don’t have it anymore. And OP is very likely assessing their progress in the same way. I wasn’t being flippant if the parent was asking a genuine question.
- Forgeties79 6mo ago> I’m saying that one is inherently one’s own judge of whether one has a problem. You go to a therapist when you feel you have a problem that warrants it That is for certain types of therapy/clinical care. It is not always - and often isn’t - the case. Plenty of diagnoses and care protocols are not a matter of opinion or based on “you feeling there’s an issue” or deciding on your own there is no longer an issue.
- logifail 6mo ago> Determining progress in a therapy setting is usually a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client. An LLM is not a reliable agent to make that determination Can anyone describe how to determine how a (professional, human) therapist is "a reliable agent" to make such a determination?
- Forgeties79 6mo agoIf you want to call into question the entire field of behavioral health and the training that is involved then that is fine, but if that’s how you feel then this entire discussion is really about something different and I can’t bridge the gap here.
- mlrtime 6mo agoThe thing they have in common is that they will both go forever.... Meaning neither the LLM or the licensed therapist will voluntarily say, you are healed, you don't need me anymore.
- Forgeties79 6mo agoBecause that’s not really how therapy works
- logifail 6mo agoIs there a generally-agreed description of "how therapy works"?
- Forgeties79 6mo agoYes, the DSM-5
- moduspol 6mo agoCounter-point: I often raise the same question of people with human therapists. I do not get strong responses.
- Forgeties79 6mo agoAn LLM is completely unable to make that determination. They can’t even see you. So much information is lost when it’s text-only. Where are you often asking this question/getting these weak responses?
- moduspol 6mo agoYou don't ask the therapist. You ask the person seeking therapy.