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> As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7 In 1947, the UN passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.

> As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7 In 1947, the UN passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. It called for a two state solution, one for the Arabs and one for Israel. Britain supported it, the Jewish Agency supported it. Everyone supported it with the exception of, you guessed it, the Arabs. The Jewish were willing to compromise. Arabs, nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... Immediately after the Partition Plan was adopted by the UN, the 1948 Palestine War started. Guess who attacked first and started it? You guessed it, the Arabs. > The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact. Sorry, you're getting your facts wrong again. In this list of members of Irgun, do a ctrl-f on Netanyahu and see what you get. That's right, nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members > And you don't need to ask me, just listen to the direct words of Bibi, Bezalel Smotrich and other Israeli government representatives how they want "Greater Israel" and wish for expansionism. "From the river to the sea, Palestine must be free" - Palestinian chant In a survey conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development 74.7% Palestinians agreed that they support a single Palestinian state "from the river to the sea", while only 5.4% of respondents supported a "one-state for two peoples" solution. 3 out 4 Palestinians supported the Oct 7 massacre of Israelis Who is expansionist now? When you have a group who's ideological goal has always been to exterminate the Jewish people and Israel, Israel must defend itself.

donkeybeer 6mo ago
The King David Hotel bombing wasn't started by arabs, it occurred much before the 48 date you have given. Its clear who started shit. I wasn't talking about Netanyahu coming from Irgun but two other past prime ministers. >From the river to the sea Its very pleasing you quoted this slogan. And you accuse me of being biased? Do you know which Israeli political party's slogan this is? Tell me, is this fake news: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-calls-israels-borders-extend-damascus https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-calls-israels-bo... ? Or any of the politicians quotes here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
- theonething 6mo ago
  > The King David Hotel bombing wasn't started by arabs, it occurred much before the 48 date you have given. Its clear who started shit. So you're saying since it was the Irgun that bombed the Hotel, it's the Jews who started the Arab Israeli conflict. Dude, get your facts straight. The 1946 Hotel bombing was against the British, not the Arabs. British administrative headquarters were housed in the Hotel and that was who the Irgun was targeting. Read up and educate yourself before you speak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing If you want to go back before 1948: The Battle of Tel Hai (March 1920): Often cited as the first military confrontation between Arab and Jewish forces. It involved a clash between a Palestinian Arab militia and Jewish defenders of the Tel Hai settlement. It started when a Shiite Arab militia and local Bedouin, led by Kamal al-Hussein, entered the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai. The 1920 Nebi Musa Riots: In April 1920, Arab residents attacked Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem during a religious procession. The 1921 Jaffa Riots: This started as a scuffle between two different Jewish groups. Arab onlookers mistook it as an attack against Arabs and started attacking Jews. "Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots_(May_1921) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots_(May_1921) And they are still doing that today. The 1929 Hebron Massacre: Prompted by rumors that Jews intended to seize the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Arab mobs killed 67 Jews in Hebron. And again, you cherry pick some far right people and project them on to all of Israel. And you totally ignore the fact that early on the Jews were willing to compromise with a two state solution, but the Arabs were not willing. Today, 75% of Palestinians support the murder, rape and kidnapping of festival attendees, families and children. That plainly shows what kind of people they are and why Israel needs to defend itself.
  - donkeybeer 6mo ago
    Why not, I cite these far right figures because these far right figures were instrumental in the creation of your country, and are still revered by many including officially. The Irgun was targeting many things, they were of course ingrates who hated the Brits that had gifted their own colonial land to these frauds for free, but they were also conducting terroristic operations against arabs. It's all very simple really, Israel was doing tactics that were morally acceptable in the 1800s but had fallen out of fashion by mid 19th century. It's vety simple, just answer this. Where are the upto 3 to 4 previous generations of most current Israelis from. Are they from the Levant or are they from Europe? And if Europe, did they migrate peacefully to an existing country or take over lands someone else was living in?
donkeybeer 6mo ago
>When you have a group who's ideological goal has always been to exterminate the Jewish people and Israel, Israel must defend itself. The locals didn't particularly give a shit about israel or jews until European jews began forcibly displacing them en masse. Jews lived there for centuries, sometimes treated better sometimes worse than Christians in Europe treated them.
- theonething 6mo ago
  > European jews began forcibly displacing them en masse You'll need to support your claims with evidence or else they are just worthless. The fact is Arabs were not willing compromise on a two state solution that Jewish Agency agreed to. (Balfour Declaration and the UN Partition Plan for Palestine). The fact is currently, the majority of Palestinians want Israel exterminated. They still will not compromise with a two state solution. They just want to murder more Israelis.
  - donkeybeer 6mo ago
    Why would anyone want to compromise against foreigners who illegally took over their lands? Its very simple, show me where the grandparents etc upto 3-4 generations ago of Israelis lived. And if they weren't in the geographical Israel did they come here peacefully or as a British project and later forcing the Brits to give up even more to these ingrates?

donkeybeer 6mo ago

The King David Hotel bombing wasn't started by arabs, it occurred much before the 48 date you have given. Its clear who started shit. I wasn't talking about Netanyahu coming from Irgun but two other past prime ministers. >From the river to the sea Its very pleasing you quoted this slogan. And you accuse me of being biased? Do you know which Israeli political party's slogan this is? Tell me, is this fake news: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-calls-israels-borders-extend-damascus https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-calls-israels-bo... ? Or any of the politicians quotes here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

theonething 6mo ago
> The King David Hotel bombing wasn't started by arabs, it occurred much before the 48 date you have given. Its clear who started shit. So you're saying since it was the Irgun that bombed the Hotel, it's the Jews who started the Arab Israeli conflict. Dude, get your facts straight. The 1946 Hotel bombing was against the British, not the Arabs. British administrative headquarters were housed in the Hotel and that was who the Irgun was targeting. Read up and educate yourself before you speak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing If you want to go back before 1948: The Battle of Tel Hai (March 1920): Often cited as the first military confrontation between Arab and Jewish forces. It involved a clash between a Palestinian Arab militia and Jewish defenders of the Tel Hai settlement. It started when a Shiite Arab militia and local Bedouin, led by Kamal al-Hussein, entered the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai. The 1920 Nebi Musa Riots: In April 1920, Arab residents attacked Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem during a religious procession. The 1921 Jaffa Riots: This started as a scuffle between two different Jewish groups. Arab onlookers mistook it as an attack against Arabs and started attacking Jews. "Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots_(May_1921) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots_(May_1921) And they are still doing that today. The 1929 Hebron Massacre: Prompted by rumors that Jews intended to seize the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Arab mobs killed 67 Jews in Hebron. And again, you cherry pick some far right people and project them on to all of Israel. And you totally ignore the fact that early on the Jews were willing to compromise with a two state solution, but the Arabs were not willing. Today, 75% of Palestinians support the murder, rape and kidnapping of festival attendees, families and children. That plainly shows what kind of people they are and why Israel needs to defend itself.
- donkeybeer 6mo ago
  Why not, I cite these far right figures because these far right figures were instrumental in the creation of your country, and are still revered by many including officially. The Irgun was targeting many things, they were of course ingrates who hated the Brits that had gifted their own colonial land to these frauds for free, but they were also conducting terroristic operations against arabs. It's all very simple really, Israel was doing tactics that were morally acceptable in the 1800s but had fallen out of fashion by mid 19th century. It's vety simple, just answer this. Where are the upto 3 to 4 previous generations of most current Israelis from. Are they from the Levant or are they from Europe? And if Europe, did they migrate peacefully to an existing country or take over lands someone else was living in?

donkeybeer 6mo ago

>When you have a group who's ideological goal has always been to exterminate the Jewish people and Israel, Israel must defend itself. The locals didn't particularly give a shit about israel or jews until European jews began forcibly displacing them en masse. Jews lived there for centuries, sometimes treated better sometimes worse than Christians in Europe treated them.

theonething 6mo ago
> European jews began forcibly displacing them en masse You'll need to support your claims with evidence or else they are just worthless. The fact is Arabs were not willing compromise on a two state solution that Jewish Agency agreed to. (Balfour Declaration and the UN Partition Plan for Palestine). The fact is currently, the majority of Palestinians want Israel exterminated. They still will not compromise with a two state solution. They just want to murder more Israelis.
- donkeybeer 6mo ago
  Why would anyone want to compromise against foreigners who illegally took over their lands? Its very simple, show me where the grandparents etc upto 3-4 generations ago of Israelis lived. And if they weren't in the geographical Israel did they come here peacefully or as a British project and later forcing the Brits to give up even more to these ingrates?