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Not my experience at least. You can go to the forum of archlinux and see the replies. They tend to be quite useful and in a good tone.

by tapia 6mo ago

Arainach 6mo ago
Within the last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47463982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47463982 "But, a Raspberry Pi isn't supposed to be a replacement for your desktop; it is meant as a device for experimentation." "why couldn't you read the self-contradicting docs and pick the right option?" (paraphrased) "just because you don't know how to follow the instructions, doesn't make the OS bad." " By now, you should see that years of experience != knowing how to use things." "Yeah. Maybe just stop using Linux. You'll never be happy with it anyway. Most its-never-my-fault people aren't." This has been my experience with the Linux community for 26 years.
- mikkupikku 6mo ago
  Half those aren't even remotely harsh. Saying the raspberry pi wasn't designed to be mained is totally reasonable, what possible objection do you have to somebody saying that?
  - Arainach 6mo ago
    That my complaints trying to install software have absolutely nothing to do with it being a Raspberry Pi and the experience is identical on any Linux machine. > Half those aren't even remotely harsh. ....and the fact that people consider this to be the case is more evidence of the Linux community's hostility. Linux is like Rick and Morty: I don't mind it, but I never want to be associated with its fans.
    - mikkupikku 6mo ago
      If you can't take the mildlest of implied criticisms without feeling offended, this isn't a Linux problem, it's a you wandered out of your safe space hugbox problem.
      - Arainach 6mo ago
        A community that prides itself on insults is not a welcoming or user friendly community. "Get good" and "you're holding it wrong" drive people away.
  - celsoazevedo 6mo ago
    I understand pointing out that an upgrade failure should be expected when Ubuntu tells you that upgrades won't work, but I don't agree with calling the Pi a "device for experimentation". Not only it's used for serious applications in industrial settings, but some products are sold as... personal computers: > Raspberry Pi 500 > The refined personal computer. > A fast, powerful computer built into a high-quality keyboard, for the ultimate compact PC experience. https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500/
    - ninjagoo 6mo ago
      Isn't the standard OS for that platform not Ubuntu? From that link: "... Raspberry Pi OS is made to get the most from your Raspberry Pi 500."
      - celsoazevedo 6mo ago
        Yes. Perhaps the fix for @Arainach would be to stick with the official OS.
- ninjagoo 6mo ago
  > This has been my experience with the Linux community for 26 years. I read through that post that elicited those comments that you have a problem with. At the end of a long list of complaints, it says: ".....yep, just as user friendly as I remember." Nowhere does that post request help, and with that last comment, is clearly intended as a disparagement of Linux, not a request for help. Then, you are turning around, and cherry picking responses to highlight the negative responses to a negative post, and disparaging the Linux community while ignoring the helpful responses. I have to ask, what's going on here?

Not my experience at least. You can go to the forum of archlinux and see the replies. They tend to be quite useful and in a good tone.

by tapia 6mo ago

Not my experience at least. You can go to the forum of archlinux and see the replies. They tend to be quite useful and in a good tone.

Arainach 6mo ago

Within the last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47463982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47463982 "But, a Raspberry Pi isn't supposed to be a replacement for your desktop; it is meant as a device for experimentation." "why couldn't you read the self-contradicting docs and pick the right option?" (paraphrased) "just because you don't know how to follow the instructions, doesn't make the OS bad." " By now, you should see that years of experience != knowing how to use things." "Yeah. Maybe just stop using Linux. You'll never be happy with it anyway. Most its-never-my-fault people aren't." This has been my experience with the Linux community for 26 years.

mikkupikku 6mo ago
Half those aren't even remotely harsh. Saying the raspberry pi wasn't designed to be mained is totally reasonable, what possible objection do you have to somebody saying that?
- Arainach 6mo ago
  That my complaints trying to install software have absolutely nothing to do with it being a Raspberry Pi and the experience is identical on any Linux machine. > Half those aren't even remotely harsh. ....and the fact that people consider this to be the case is more evidence of the Linux community's hostility. Linux is like Rick and Morty: I don't mind it, but I never want to be associated with its fans.
  - mikkupikku 6mo ago
    If you can't take the mildlest of implied criticisms without feeling offended, this isn't a Linux problem, it's a you wandered out of your safe space hugbox problem.
    - Arainach 6mo ago
      A community that prides itself on insults is not a welcoming or user friendly community. "Get good" and "you're holding it wrong" drive people away.
- celsoazevedo 6mo ago
  I understand pointing out that an upgrade failure should be expected when Ubuntu tells you that upgrades won't work, but I don't agree with calling the Pi a "device for experimentation". Not only it's used for serious applications in industrial settings, but some products are sold as... personal computers: > Raspberry Pi 500 > The refined personal computer. > A fast, powerful computer built into a high-quality keyboard, for the ultimate compact PC experience. https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500/
  - ninjagoo 6mo ago
    Isn't the standard OS for that platform not Ubuntu? From that link: "... Raspberry Pi OS is made to get the most from your Raspberry Pi 500."
    - celsoazevedo 6mo ago
      Yes. Perhaps the fix for @Arainach would be to stick with the official OS.
ninjagoo 6mo ago
> This has been my experience with the Linux community for 26 years. I read through that post that elicited those comments that you have a problem with. At the end of a long list of complaints, it says: ".....yep, just as user friendly as I remember." Nowhere does that post request help, and with that last comment, is clearly intended as a disparagement of Linux, not a request for help. Then, you are turning around, and cherry picking responses to highlight the negative responses to a negative post, and disparaging the Linux community while ignoring the helpful responses. I have to ask, what's going on here?