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I agree and appreciate you calling this out. It’s easy to not understand the impact or meaning of referring to violence in a flip way when one has never had to

by cmicali 6mo ago

I agree and appreciate you calling this out. It’s easy to not understand the impact or meaning of referring to violence in a flip way when one has never had to have experienced it.

mapotofu 6mo ago
I also appreciate the callout but don’t believe it’s in bad taste. There are enough analogs, and it makes you question the type of people who run the companies and make the decisions. In MSFTs case, Bill Gates was an associate with a known pedophile and likely an abuser himself. I completely understand it being triggering but shying away from it because of that protects perpetrators. A lot of executive circles are filled with abusive freaks and their decision making reflects that.
- user_7832 6mo ago
  I'm willing to bet very good money that windows forcing an update somewhere has led to things that has killed someone.
  - user_7832 6mo ago
    Damn, really, 2 downvotes? Do you guys think what I said is wrong (or irrelevant or something)? I'll be happy to correct myself if I said anything wrong, but downvotes without comments really don't tell me much.
- bee_rider 6mo ago
  A article mapping out those connections would be a good thing to do. That’s not what this article is, though. This is about Microsoft having poor quality software and a business model that is adversarial to their customers.
JollySharp0 6mo ago
The guy was a Darknet Vendor and has been to Jail/Prison in the US.
- bigbuppo 6mo ago
  So when he looks at Windows 11 and calls it something bad, you should probably pay attention.
  - JollySharp0 6mo ago
    He is someone that cares about operation and information security. Modern Consumer operating systems basically throw all of that out of the window. On top of that he hate Microsoft.
zahlman 6mo ago
>the impact or meaning of referring to violence in a flip[pant] way I don't think you actually mean "violence" in general, unless you think that word means something radically and fundamentally different from what I think it means (and my understanding is based on what dictionaries say; but I will happily acknowledge that I have encountered very, very many people whose apparent understanding of the term is utterly incomprehensible to me). I say this because I never, ever see people object to the use of idioms such as https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/you+killed+it https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/you+killed+it . The objection is only ever raised with respect to very specific kinds of violence. Or will you also object when I kill a process, or when POSIX-standard systems (I'm pretty sure this is part of the standard but I'm not that kind of nerd) continue to use `kill` as the command name? How about when a new startup releases a "killer app"?

by cmicali 6mo ago

I agree and appreciate you calling this out. It’s easy to not understand the impact or meaning of referring to violence in a flip way when one has never had to have experienced it.

mapotofu 6mo ago

I also appreciate the callout but don’t believe it’s in bad taste. There are enough analogs, and it makes you question the type of people who run the companies and make the decisions. In MSFTs case, Bill Gates was an associate with a known pedophile and likely an abuser himself. I completely understand it being triggering but shying away from it because of that protects perpetrators. A lot of executive circles are filled with abusive freaks and their decision making reflects that.

user_7832 6mo ago
I'm willing to bet very good money that windows forcing an update somewhere has led to things that has killed someone.
- user_7832 6mo ago
  Damn, really, 2 downvotes? Do you guys think what I said is wrong (or irrelevant or something)? I'll be happy to correct myself if I said anything wrong, but downvotes without comments really don't tell me much.
bee_rider 6mo ago
A article mapping out those connections would be a good thing to do. That’s not what this article is, though. This is about Microsoft having poor quality software and a business model that is adversarial to their customers.

JollySharp0 6mo ago

The guy was a Darknet Vendor and has been to Jail/Prison in the US.

bigbuppo 6mo ago
So when he looks at Windows 11 and calls it something bad, you should probably pay attention.
- JollySharp0 6mo ago
  He is someone that cares about operation and information security. Modern Consumer operating systems basically throw all of that out of the window. On top of that he hate Microsoft.

zahlman 6mo ago

>the impact or meaning of referring to violence in a flip[pant] way I don't think you actually mean "violence" in general, unless you think that word means something radically and fundamentally different from what I think it means (and my understanding is based on what dictionaries say; but I will happily acknowledge that I have encountered very, very many people whose apparent understanding of the term is utterly incomprehensible to me). I say this because I never, ever see people object to the use of idioms such as https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/you+killed+it https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/you+killed+it . The objection is only ever raised with respect to very specific kinds of violence. Or will you also object when I kill a process, or when POSIX-standard systems (I'm pretty sure this is part of the standard but I'm not that kind of nerd) continue to use `kill` as the command name? How about when a new startup releases a "killer app"?