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I worked in the Pentagon for 10 years, and got my beak wet with neural nets there very early, back when we were using Playstation 3s for their GPUs. I was stau

by JPKab 6mo ago

I worked in the Pentagon for 10 years, and got my beak wet with neural nets there very early, back when we were using Playstation 3s for their GPUs. I was staunchly against the Iraq war, but even when Bush was president I didn't let it compromise my patriotism. The amount of people on here who ignore the fact that Iran was the primary enabler of Hamas' attack on 10/7/23, and therefore sowed the seeds of the destruction of Gaza, is insane. Basically, if Trump does a thing, they are against it, independent of the thing. There is no principle, just reactionary hatred. If Biden had launched this war, none of these people would have had a problem with it. I am 100% positive on that assumption.

surgical_fire 6mo ago
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- dotancohen 6mo ago
  Yes, Hamas had been shooting rockets at Israel for almost two decades by that point.
  - surgical_fire 6mo ago
    Probably for no reason whatsoever.
    - dotancohen 6mo ago
      Probably because the destruction of the state of Israel is clearly stated in the Hamas charter. As is massacre of Jews. If you don't know this, then you probably shouldn't have such strong opinions on the topic.
      - surgical_fire 6mo ago
        Yes, nothing to do with the interference on Iran from the US since the coup in 1953. Nothing to do with how aggressive and expansionist Israel has been since its inception, not to mention how it abuses and oppresses the Palestinian population. If you don't know this, then you probably should cut your bullshit. Who am I kidding? Of course you know this. You just choose to ignore it.
        dotancohen 6mo ago
        > Nothing to do with how aggressive and expansionist Israel has been since its inception, Israel has been expansionist only during active wars started by her neighbours. Arabs kill people, Jews counter by taking the land used to kill her citizens, and people like you decide that land is more important than life. Then when Arabs invade Israel, and publish maps of areas they have considered, and Israel goes in to rescue her hostages, suddenly life is more valuable than land and Israel is at fault again. > not to mention how it abuses and oppresses the Palestinian population. The only oppression the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of Israel are measures that Israel has taken to defend her citizens. The Palestinians themselves will tell you that they suffer far more from their own leaders and from the neighbouring Arab states, than from Israel.
galangalalgol 6mo ago
It seems like about 20% of people judge the actions of a us administration independent of their partisan positions. I am recently joined and cannot claim it is from any virtue on my part. A backlash against an attempted autocratic takeover is a common starting point for successful ones by an opposing party. Leftist autocratic coups are only slightly rarer than rightist ones. We are in the middle of an attempted rightist one, but that doesn't mean we are safe if we remove them.
nozzlegear 6mo ago
>If Biden had launched this war, none of these people would have had a problem with it. I am 100% positive on that assumption. I think you're wrong here. As a Biden stan who's gone to the mat debating Biden's policies here on HN many times in the past, he lost pretty much all of the remaining good will he had by defending and supporting Israel for so long after it became clear what they were doing in Gaza. Biden wouldn't be getting a free pass in the Middle East if it were helping Israel's goals (ignoring the fact that Biden is much more of a dove than Trump).
mcphage 6mo ago
> Basically, if Trump does a thing, they are against it, independent of the thing. Because on top of doing terrible things, the non-terrible things he does, he does incredibly badly. > There is no principle, just reactionary hatred. No, we’re all good little Bayesians around here. > If Biden had launched this war, none of these people would have had a problem with it. You’re really missing what’s going on here. The reason that people liked Biden is that he would not have launched this war.
- what 6mo ago
  > The reason that people liked Biden is that he would not have launched this war. No, they liked him because he wasn’t Trump. And then they liked Trump more after having him.
  - mcphage 6mo ago
    > And then they liked Trump more after having him. And it only cost them their country. Not bad!
  - nozzlegear 6mo ago
    I liked Biden because he's a genuinely good statesman, with decades of experience building bipartisan relationships (some admittedly bad, most good) both domestically and internationally. I didn't vote against Trump in 2020, I voted for Biden. And you can bet your sweet bippy that I'd do it again.
anon7000 6mo ago
I highly disagree, one clear thing conservatives and liberals largely agree on is no more wars in the Middle East. It’s astonishing to me that Trump supporters who voted for an isolationist policy are happy with him intervening in the Middle East (not to mention South America) again. Yes, I am “reactively” hating our president for starting wars without congressional approval and with very handwavy explanations. Besides, he has a track record for saying whatever the fuck he wants if he thinks people will like it, so you can’t trust the words from his mouth anyways. It’s pretty infuriating, actually. I would be much happier if there was a clear justification and rational explanation for the president starting more wars in the Middle East. And yes, because Biden has a slightly better baseline of not telling bold-faced lies, I could see more people giving the benefit of the doubt at first. But overall, liberals did not like Biden very much. Trump, on the other hand, has a pretty hardcore base of people who don’t seem to care what he says or that he does/says the opposite of what he used to say. Pretty weird. By the way, this opinion is not formed by reading or listening to any kind of mainstream media. It’s formed from listening to the words coming out of Trump’s mouth for the past fucking decade.
- dotancohen 6mo ago
  If "no more wars in the middle east" means that America can not protect herself from a nation that regularly chants Death To America, then it really means "I'd rather see America as a society fail than stand up and defend myself".
  - donkeybeer 6mo ago
    Words are violence!!! Chanting for death to any country or religion is not violence dude. Until and actually Iran launches an attack on the USA. Iran didn't start this war, America and Israel did, while right in the middle of a pretend negotiation with them. I believe this is a strong sign that any time Israel or America are asking to negotiate with any country, they should prepare a full scale military action ready for the real "negotiation". edit: Are you a dual citizen? Everyone has a right to free speech of course and to support or not support any country or cause. But if you feel so strongly about a foreign country, why don't you be honest with yourself and pick a lane. I say this to everyone, not just Israeli, but Chinese, Dutch, any other dual citizens.

by JPKab 6mo ago

surgical_fire 6mo ago

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dotancohen 6mo ago
Yes, Hamas had been shooting rockets at Israel for almost two decades by that point.
- surgical_fire 6mo ago
  Probably for no reason whatsoever.
  - dotancohen 6mo ago
    Probably because the destruction of the state of Israel is clearly stated in the Hamas charter. As is massacre of Jews. If you don't know this, then you probably shouldn't have such strong opinions on the topic.
    - surgical_fire 6mo ago
      Yes, nothing to do with the interference on Iran from the US since the coup in 1953. Nothing to do with how aggressive and expansionist Israel has been since its inception, not to mention how it abuses and oppresses the Palestinian population. If you don't know this, then you probably should cut your bullshit. Who am I kidding? Of course you know this. You just choose to ignore it.
      - dotancohen 6mo ago
        > Nothing to do with how aggressive and expansionist Israel has been since its inception, Israel has been expansionist only during active wars started by her neighbours. Arabs kill people, Jews counter by taking the land used to kill her citizens, and people like you decide that land is more important than life. Then when Arabs invade Israel, and publish maps of areas they have considered, and Israel goes in to rescue her hostages, suddenly life is more valuable than land and Israel is at fault again. > not to mention how it abuses and oppresses the Palestinian population. The only oppression the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of Israel are measures that Israel has taken to defend her citizens. The Palestinians themselves will tell you that they suffer far more from their own leaders and from the neighbouring Arab states, than from Israel.

galangalalgol 6mo ago

It seems like about 20% of people judge the actions of a us administration independent of their partisan positions. I am recently joined and cannot claim it is from any virtue on my part. A backlash against an attempted autocratic takeover is a common starting point for successful ones by an opposing party. Leftist autocratic coups are only slightly rarer than rightist ones. We are in the middle of an attempted rightist one, but that doesn't mean we are safe if we remove them.

nozzlegear 6mo ago

>If Biden had launched this war, none of these people would have had a problem with it. I am 100% positive on that assumption. I think you're wrong here. As a Biden stan who's gone to the mat debating Biden's policies here on HN many times in the past, he lost pretty much all of the remaining good will he had by defending and supporting Israel for so long after it became clear what they were doing in Gaza. Biden wouldn't be getting a free pass in the Middle East if it were helping Israel's goals (ignoring the fact that Biden is much more of a dove than Trump).

mcphage 6mo ago

> Basically, if Trump does a thing, they are against it, independent of the thing. Because on top of doing terrible things, the non-terrible things he does, he does incredibly badly. > There is no principle, just reactionary hatred. No, we’re all good little Bayesians around here. > If Biden had launched this war, none of these people would have had a problem with it. You’re really missing what’s going on here. The reason that people liked Biden is that he would not have launched this war.

what 6mo ago
> The reason that people liked Biden is that he would not have launched this war. No, they liked him because he wasn’t Trump. And then they liked Trump more after having him.
- mcphage 6mo ago
  > And then they liked Trump more after having him. And it only cost them their country. Not bad!
- nozzlegear 6mo ago
  I liked Biden because he's a genuinely good statesman, with decades of experience building bipartisan relationships (some admittedly bad, most good) both domestically and internationally. I didn't vote against Trump in 2020, I voted for Biden. And you can bet your sweet bippy that I'd do it again.

anon7000 6mo ago

I highly disagree, one clear thing conservatives and liberals largely agree on is no more wars in the Middle East. It’s astonishing to me that Trump supporters who voted for an isolationist policy are happy with him intervening in the Middle East (not to mention South America) again. Yes, I am “reactively” hating our president for starting wars without congressional approval and with very handwavy explanations. Besides, he has a track record for saying whatever the fuck he wants if he thinks people will like it, so you can’t trust the words from his mouth anyways. It’s pretty infuriating, actually. I would be much happier if there was a clear justification and rational explanation for the president starting more wars in the Middle East. And yes, because Biden has a slightly better baseline of not telling bold-faced lies, I could see more people giving the benefit of the doubt at first. But overall, liberals did not like Biden very much. Trump, on the other hand, has a pretty hardcore base of people who don’t seem to care what he says or that he does/says the opposite of what he used to say. Pretty weird. By the way, this opinion is not formed by reading or listening to any kind of mainstream media. It’s formed from listening to the words coming out of Trump’s mouth for the past fucking decade.

dotancohen 6mo ago
If "no more wars in the middle east" means that America can not protect herself from a nation that regularly chants Death To America, then it really means "I'd rather see America as a society fail than stand up and defend myself".
- donkeybeer 6mo ago
  Words are violence!!! Chanting for death to any country or religion is not violence dude. Until and actually Iran launches an attack on the USA. Iran didn't start this war, America and Israel did, while right in the middle of a pretend negotiation with them. I believe this is a strong sign that any time Israel or America are asking to negotiate with any country, they should prepare a full scale military action ready for the real "negotiation". edit: Are you a dual citizen? Everyone has a right to free speech of course and to support or not support any country or cause. But if you feel so strongly about a foreign country, why don't you be honest with yourself and pick a lane. I say this to everyone, not just Israeli, but Chinese, Dutch, any other dual citizens.