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About 3 years ago, a former russian submarine commander accused of a missile attack in Ukraine that killed 23 civilians, was shot and killed, apparently after h

About 3 years ago, a former russian submarine commander accused of a missile attack in Ukraine that killed 23 civilians, was shot and killed, apparently after his route was tracked via Strava https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/11/europe/russian-submarine-commander-killed-krasnador-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/11/europe/russian-submarine-... https://gijn.org/stories/investigations-using-strava-fitness-app/ https://gijn.org/stories/investigations-using-strava-fitness...

applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
Crazy to die because you used a jogging app. Really goes to show the value of privacy. And, you know, not committing war crimes that would make people want to hunt you down and kill you. Either or.
- DaedalusII 6mo ago
  I have to call out this disingenuous mob like language which is basically saying "because this person served in the military of a UN Security Council member, it is justifiable to murder them in the street years into their retirement" how is a submarine commander committing war crimes? by the same way of thinking, it would be completely justified for people from many countries to show up at random US service members houses and shoot them in the street , or perhaps attack their embassies, commit suicide bombings...
  - applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
    You're so close to getting it! It turns out that terrorists don't hate Americans because they're jealous of the self-proclaimed greatest country in the world, they hate Americans because Americans commit crimes against their people. I said nothing about whether it was justified, simply noted the state of reality in which you should probably avoid doing harmful things to others if you would like to not motivate them to harm you in return. Americans would absolutely benefit from doing fewer things to harm other countries if they would like to be targeted by fewer terrorists.
  - Dylan16807 6mo ago
    No, personal responsibility for war crimes with double digit casualties is not the same as just being in the same military force in any capacity. Though if your local UN security council member is known for committing war crimes then you probably shouldn't serve in its military.
  - locknitpicker 6mo ago
    > how is a submarine commander committing war crimes? News reports from both Russia and Ukraine stated he was the commander of K-148 Krasnodar, a submarine that at the time of his command engaged in missile attacks on Ukrainian cities. From a BBC article: > Ukrainian media has said he could have been in command of the vessel when it carried out a missile attack on the Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia in July 2022, which killed 28 people, including three children. Also, it's clear that a military officer is obviously a legitimate military target in a war.
    - roysting 6mo ago
      Who do you see as the “legitimate military target” in America due to America’s war of aggression on Iran? You imply it would be any military officer, anywhere, at any time, retired or not.
      - ta20240528 6mo ago
        For active soldiers, yes - kill them, any time, anywhere. That's what "at war" means. Its not a policing operation.
        gzread 6mo ago
        This thought - of being legitimately killed at any time anywhere - should scare people. Good! If the reality of war scares you, don't start wars.
      - applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
        Correct. The US assassinated Iran's leader and dozens of their military officers. Do you seriously believe Iran would somehow be in the wrong to kill any American officer it can? It is eerie how closely the American mentality parallels that of the German regime. "The Nazis entered this war on the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody and nobody was going to bomb them."
        roysting 6mo ago
- konart 6mo ago
  > not committing war crimes that would make people want to hunt you down and kill you People may want to kill you for different reasons though. No need to commit any crimes.
  - applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
    Indeed. Everyone should value their privacy seriously, much more than the general population currently does.
    - treebeard901 6mo ago
      Location data is arguably more important than financial or medical data. Atleast in a context where someone is after you. Thanks to bribery and data brokers, it doesnt have to be anyone in Govt or LE tracking you. Collect certain identifiers from a device or account and you can track almost anyone. Financial and medical data access is certainly bad, but your location data can be used to orchestrate a stalking campaign or a murder in a deniable way. It is why after the U.S. kills or captures some foreign leader, they brag about figuring out their routes and daily habits. It is not a stretch to say that it could also be done, and probably has before, in the U.S. Extreme penalities should be put in place for any location data access without a court order... And your location should never be allowed to be sold or shared with any non court approved third party. It really is that serious and if the public had the bandwidth to be concerned over another issue, maybe something would change. Who knows, maybe all the public needs to take it seriously are some real life examples of location data being used illegally...
    - throwawayxcdv21 6mo ago
      Some countries make a citizen's residential address public under certain circumstances, i.e. business ownership. There's nothing you can do to erase it once it is registered. It really sucks because you may have a business that involves having a public product that is used by thousands of people. Any disgruntled user can look up where you live.
  - throw0101c 6mo ago
    > People may want to kill you for different reasons though. No need to commit any crimes. Or "crimes". (Stay away from windows.)
- drysine 6mo ago
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  - maximinus_thrax 6mo ago
    You're in a very weak position to attempt whataboutism, tovarishch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_March_2022_Chernihiv_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_March_2022_Chernihiv_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_March_2022_Chernihiv_breadline_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_March_2022_Chernihiv_breadl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2023_Chernihiv_missile_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2023_Chernihiv_missile_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrainian_infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrain... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Dnipro_residential_building_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Dnipro_residential_buildi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_July_2024_Russian_strikes_on_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_July_2024_Russian_strikes_on... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplyne_railway_station_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplyne_railway_station_attac... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_cluster_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_cluster_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_railway_station_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_railway_station_att... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Kramatorsk_restaurant_missile_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Kramatorsk_restaurant_mis... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2022_Chasiv_Yar_missile_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2022_Chasiv_Yar_missile_s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2023_Sloviansk_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2023_Sloviansk_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Kostiantynivka_supermarket_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Kostiantynivka_supermarke... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Yarova_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Yarova_attack And many more, the Russian armed forces being the consistent all-time barbarian horde of Europe.
    - drysine 6mo ago
      Quite the opposite. Just a recent Ukrainian strike at Russian city Bryansk, killing 8 and wounding almost 50 civilians.[0] [0] https://t.me/milinfolive/168222 https://t.me/milinfolive/168222
teiferer 6mo ago
This provides a great cover for intelligence agencies to avoid disclosing their actual data source. Just point to Strava and hand-wave a little. Nobody will suspect that you actually had an in via a close associate of the target.
- roysting 6mo ago
  It’s called parallel construction in many related circles and is used on a daily basis even in communities like yours. For example, do you have information obtained from illegal surveillance technology to know of an illegal activity happening in a house? Well, why not just ask very forcefully of someone facing inflated jail time, whether they happen to remember… after thinking really hard about it… having seen that illegal activity in that particular house they definitely have been in, to get the warrant approved by a judge.
wolvoleo 6mo ago
Only goes to show how dangerous sport is! :)

applfanboysbgon 6mo ago

Crazy to die because you used a jogging app. Really goes to show the value of privacy. And, you know, not committing war crimes that would make people want to hunt you down and kill you. Either or.

DaedalusII 6mo ago
I have to call out this disingenuous mob like language which is basically saying "because this person served in the military of a UN Security Council member, it is justifiable to murder them in the street years into their retirement" how is a submarine commander committing war crimes? by the same way of thinking, it would be completely justified for people from many countries to show up at random US service members houses and shoot them in the street , or perhaps attack their embassies, commit suicide bombings...
- applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
  You're so close to getting it! It turns out that terrorists don't hate Americans because they're jealous of the self-proclaimed greatest country in the world, they hate Americans because Americans commit crimes against their people. I said nothing about whether it was justified, simply noted the state of reality in which you should probably avoid doing harmful things to others if you would like to not motivate them to harm you in return. Americans would absolutely benefit from doing fewer things to harm other countries if they would like to be targeted by fewer terrorists.
- Dylan16807 6mo ago
  No, personal responsibility for war crimes with double digit casualties is not the same as just being in the same military force in any capacity. Though if your local UN security council member is known for committing war crimes then you probably shouldn't serve in its military.
- locknitpicker 6mo ago
  > how is a submarine commander committing war crimes? News reports from both Russia and Ukraine stated he was the commander of K-148 Krasnodar, a submarine that at the time of his command engaged in missile attacks on Ukrainian cities. From a BBC article: > Ukrainian media has said he could have been in command of the vessel when it carried out a missile attack on the Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia in July 2022, which killed 28 people, including three children. Also, it's clear that a military officer is obviously a legitimate military target in a war.
  - roysting 6mo ago
    Who do you see as the “legitimate military target” in America due to America’s war of aggression on Iran? You imply it would be any military officer, anywhere, at any time, retired or not.
    - ta20240528 6mo ago
      For active soldiers, yes - kill them, any time, anywhere. That's what "at war" means. Its not a policing operation.
      - gzread 6mo ago
        This thought - of being legitimately killed at any time anywhere - should scare people. Good! If the reality of war scares you, don't start wars.
    - applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
      Correct. The US assassinated Iran's leader and dozens of their military officers. Do you seriously believe Iran would somehow be in the wrong to kill any American officer it can? It is eerie how closely the American mentality parallels that of the German regime. "The Nazis entered this war on the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody and nobody was going to bomb them."
      - roysting 6mo ago
konart 6mo ago
> not committing war crimes that would make people want to hunt you down and kill you People may want to kill you for different reasons though. No need to commit any crimes.
- applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
  Indeed. Everyone should value their privacy seriously, much more than the general population currently does.
  - treebeard901 6mo ago
    Location data is arguably more important than financial or medical data. Atleast in a context where someone is after you. Thanks to bribery and data brokers, it doesnt have to be anyone in Govt or LE tracking you. Collect certain identifiers from a device or account and you can track almost anyone. Financial and medical data access is certainly bad, but your location data can be used to orchestrate a stalking campaign or a murder in a deniable way. It is why after the U.S. kills or captures some foreign leader, they brag about figuring out their routes and daily habits. It is not a stretch to say that it could also be done, and probably has before, in the U.S. Extreme penalities should be put in place for any location data access without a court order... And your location should never be allowed to be sold or shared with any non court approved third party. It really is that serious and if the public had the bandwidth to be concerned over another issue, maybe something would change. Who knows, maybe all the public needs to take it seriously are some real life examples of location data being used illegally...
  - throwawayxcdv21 6mo ago
    Some countries make a citizen's residential address public under certain circumstances, i.e. business ownership. There's nothing you can do to erase it once it is registered. It really sucks because you may have a business that involves having a public product that is used by thousands of people. Any disgruntled user can look up where you live.
- throw0101c 6mo ago
  > People may want to kill you for different reasons though. No need to commit any crimes. Or "crimes". (Stay away from windows.)
drysine 6mo ago
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- maximinus_thrax 6mo ago
  You're in a very weak position to attempt whataboutism, tovarishch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_March_2022_Chernihiv_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_March_2022_Chernihiv_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_March_2022_Chernihiv_breadline_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_March_2022_Chernihiv_breadl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2023_Chernihiv_missile_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2023_Chernihiv_missile_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrainian_infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrain... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Dnipro_residential_building_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Dnipro_residential_buildi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_July_2024_Russian_strikes_on_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_July_2024_Russian_strikes_on... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplyne_railway_station_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplyne_railway_station_attac... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_cluster_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_cluster_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_railway_station_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_railway_station_att... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Kramatorsk_restaurant_missile_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Kramatorsk_restaurant_mis... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2022_Chasiv_Yar_missile_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2022_Chasiv_Yar_missile_s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2023_Sloviansk_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2023_Sloviansk_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Kostiantynivka_supermarket_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Kostiantynivka_supermarke... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Yarova_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Yarova_attack And many more, the Russian armed forces being the consistent all-time barbarian horde of Europe.
  - drysine 6mo ago
    Quite the opposite. Just a recent Ukrainian strike at Russian city Bryansk, killing 8 and wounding almost 50 civilians.[0] [0] https://t.me/milinfolive/168222 https://t.me/milinfolive/168222

teiferer 6mo ago

This provides a great cover for intelligence agencies to avoid disclosing their actual data source. Just point to Strava and hand-wave a little. Nobody will suspect that you actually had an in via a close associate of the target.

roysting 6mo ago
It’s called parallel construction in many related circles and is used on a daily basis even in communities like yours. For example, do you have information obtained from illegal surveillance technology to know of an illegal activity happening in a house? Well, why not just ask very forcefully of someone facing inflated jail time, whether they happen to remember… after thinking really hard about it… having seen that illegal activity in that particular house they definitely have been in, to get the warrant approved by a judge.

wolvoleo 6mo ago

Only goes to show how dangerous sport is! :)