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“The doers are the major thinkers. The people that really create the things that change this industry are both the thinker and doer in one person.” Steve Jobs

by gjadi 6mo ago

“The doers are the major thinkers. The people that really create the things that change this industry are both the thinker and doer in one person.” Steve Jobs Now, what are doers in the age of LLM is another question.

jack_pp 6mo ago
Well was Jobs a "doer"? Did he get his hands dirty on the code? Or did he use his employees how we would like to use LLMs?
- aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
  > Well was Jobs a "doer"? Jobs' talent was that he was an incredibly talented salesman.
  - philipallstar 6mo ago
    That wasn't too hard for him given he was also an incredibly talented market opportunity spotter and product leader.
  - ugtr3 6mo ago
    Why do people write such nonsense? Jobs envisioned the iPad and iPhone. Did he do the physical work? No. But he created direction. Everyone around him at that time has commented on this. Are you going to claim they’re all lying?
    - aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
      > Jobs envisioned the iPad and iPhone. [...] Everyone around him at that time has commented on this. Are you going to claim they’re all lying? I don't claim that they are all lying, but I do claim that quite some people fell for Apple's marketing (as I wrote: "Jobs' talent was that he was an incredibly talented salesman.").
  - oytis 6mo ago
    Salespeople sell things that already exist. If you can envision new things that would sell well, that's a bit more than sales talent
    - aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
      > Salespeople sell things that already exist. If you can envision new things that would sell well, that's a bit more than sales talent A lot of gadgets that were claimed by Steve Jobs to have been envisioned by Apple (or rather: by him) - as I wrote: Steve Jobs was an exceptional salesman - already existed before, just in a way that had a little bit more rough edges. These did not sell so well, because the companies did not have a marketing department that made people believe that what they sell is the next big thing.
    - tw-20260303-001 6mo ago
      Have you ever heard of Steve Jobs?

by gjadi 6mo ago

jack_pp 6mo ago

Well was Jobs a "doer"? Did he get his hands dirty on the code? Or did he use his employees how we would like to use LLMs?

aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
> Well was Jobs a "doer"? Jobs' talent was that he was an incredibly talented salesman.
- philipallstar 6mo ago
  That wasn't too hard for him given he was also an incredibly talented market opportunity spotter and product leader.
- ugtr3 6mo ago
  Why do people write such nonsense? Jobs envisioned the iPad and iPhone. Did he do the physical work? No. But he created direction. Everyone around him at that time has commented on this. Are you going to claim they’re all lying?
  - aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
    > Jobs envisioned the iPad and iPhone. [...] Everyone around him at that time has commented on this. Are you going to claim they’re all lying? I don't claim that they are all lying, but I do claim that quite some people fell for Apple's marketing (as I wrote: "Jobs' talent was that he was an incredibly talented salesman.").
- oytis 6mo ago
  Salespeople sell things that already exist. If you can envision new things that would sell well, that's a bit more than sales talent
  - aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
    > Salespeople sell things that already exist. If you can envision new things that would sell well, that's a bit more than sales talent A lot of gadgets that were claimed by Steve Jobs to have been envisioned by Apple (or rather: by him) - as I wrote: Steve Jobs was an exceptional salesman - already existed before, just in a way that had a little bit more rough edges. These did not sell so well, because the companies did not have a marketing department that made people believe that what they sell is the next big thing.
  - tw-20260303-001 6mo ago
    Have you ever heard of Steve Jobs?