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This just again shows that given enough time skill, and resources, any security is pointless if the attacker has physical access to the device.
by au8er 6mo ago
This just again shows that given enough time skill, and resources, any security is pointless if the attacker has physical access to the device.
- wat10000 6mo agoI’m pretty skeptical of that lesson. This took 13 years and it’s cheap mass-market hardware.
- recursive 6mo agoThis seems like an unqualified win for the security measure. The future value of Xbox One DRM is probably close to zero. They already got what they wanted out of it.
- leoc 6mo agoAt this point the blip of free media coverage possibly makes this a net positive for XBox.
- jamesgeck0 6mo agoOne of the DRM circumvention methods for the Xbox 360 involved precision drilling a specific depth into one of the chips on the board. Microsoft was very aware of the nature of physical access while designing this, haha.
- echelon_musk 6mo agoI had many Xbox 360s with flashed DVD drive firmware back in the day. But as I never owned a slim console I had no idea the drill/Kamikaze hack was a thing until now.
- zbentley 6mo agoOh man, I remember the kamikaze hack. I was so chuffed when it worked; I felt like a brain surgeon for a moment.
- dist-epoch 6mo agoYou do have a credit card, right?
- Waterluvian 6mo agoI think this might be a good example of the fundamental misunderstanding of what "security" even is. It is never a binary state. Never was. And I think a lot of people don't really grok that and think that if a security block can be overcome in some manner then the thing is not secure. Eventually Fort Knox will succumb to the unrelenting arrow of time and some future visitors will simply step over the crumbling wall and into the supposedly "secure" area.
- tosti 6mo agoI see security as a stopgap measure when there's no peace. The best "security" is not to need any in the first place.
- iso-logi 6mo agoI never hear about Grok being used over Codex or Claude on this site, I don't really hear about new Grok models or updates yet people love using Grok as a way to communicate meaning, are you guys just on Twitter too much?
- genewitch 6mo ago"grok" in that sense is from a novel, i think Stranger in a Strange Land by Heinlein. i heard it before i read the novel, i'm sure, but i didn't notice it until afterward. it means like "full understanding", like complete. Does the name now make sense, considering!?
- cocoto 6mo agoI can give you a piece of paper with a one time pad encoded secret, where the one time is physically destroyed. You can take all the time you want but you will not crack anything…
- TobTobXX 6mo agoYou don't need to attack the math, if you can attack the sender or thr receiver ['s hardware].
- cocoto 6mo agoGood luck If I burnt the one time pad.
- pyrolistical 6mo agoGive me enough time to reverse entropy
- TobTobXX 6mo agoNo, there's a misunderstanding. You can extract the message the user entered/received BEFORE/AFTER the en-/decryption. eg. a keylogger, a screencapture, extracting memory from the processes, just recording the screen from behind the user, ...
- john_strinlai 6mo agoi find this statement is often used as an excuse to not think about security at all. which is probably not what you intended here (i hope, although you did say "pointless"...), but some people parrot it for that purpose. a) this was a security win. millions and millions of people had physical access to the device for over a decade b) as others have said, security is not all-or-nothing. the xbox one is extremely secure, despite not being perfectly secure. c) just because something eventually gets hacked does not mean security was pointless. delaying access is a perfectly reasonable security goal. delaying access until the product is retired and the successor is already out on the market is a huge win.
- rangestransform 6mo agoIn the talk that the security guy gave, he said it just had to cost more than 10 games for a user to enable piracy
- babypuncher 6mo ago'pointless' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. This console went completely unhacked for 12 years, with this coming a solid 4 years after the hardware was discontinued. They kept piracy off the console for its whole lifespan, which was the entire point of these security measures. This is a massive success for the Xbox security team.
- jamesnorden 6mo agoBetter stop locking your doors, then.
- Cthulhu_ 6mo agoI suppose, but I'd argue it's effective security if it took ten years.