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I see people saying this story doesn't belong on HN. genuine question, if this story were about a german national would it be considered as political? is palest

I see people saying this story doesn't belong on HN. genuine question, if this story were about a german national would it be considered as political? is palestinian existence inherently more political than other peoples' existence?

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dijit 6mo ago
I'll bite: If for any reason, probably because it's neither technically interesting nor entrepreneurial in nature. US Politics seems to get more of a pass, probably due to Silicon Valley being there (and nearly all the major tech outlets), similarly some China news gets a pass, also largely when it relates to supply chain and Taiwan.
- MisterTea 6mo ago
  > US Politics seems to get more of a pass, This goes beyond US politics. The US and Israel do not exist in a bubble. This conflict can and will have big repercussions which will impact our technical and entrepreneurial institutions.
  - dijit 6mo ago
    Nothing exists in total isolation, you have to draw lines anyway.
  - appreciatorBus 6mo ago
    All events in the universe are connected to all others. If the rule is that anything that could affect anyone is fair game, then there simply are no rules, to subject guidelines, no filter whatsoever. It's hackernews.com without the "hacker"
    - actionfromafar 6mo ago
      All events are connected, but the only superpower is a little more connected.
polski-g 6mo ago
News not connected to technology or VC doesn't belong on HN.
- itsangaris 6mo ago
  is that an opinion or a consistently enforced policy? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45202200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45202200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46543457 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46543457
twiclo 6mo ago
From the guidelines: What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. If the story was about a German national then yes, I would still say this is political and doesn't gratify my intellectual curiosity.
haunter 6mo ago
I'm saying this as someone who doesn't really care about this certain topic: Either we allow _all_ political content or nothing. The HN guidelines are incredibly grey and handwave-y >Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. To me HN became to big for its own good since the Covid days. It's like the reddit front page except there are no subs with mods but one big flood (basically /r/all). If I got to /r/linux, /r/selfhosted/, /r/networking/ or other tech subs I'll probably find what I saw on HN 15 years ago. But less and less here.
- itsangaris 6mo ago
  bingo
- crote 6mo ago
  Banning all political content means banning all mention of open-source software, self-driving cars, anything involving a Big Tech company, anything concerning AI, anything to do with EU or US legislation, anything involving hacking or right to repair, anything about copyright... Ban all politics, and you ban >99% of HN content. Heck, the very concept of HN itself is political!
  - jamesnorden 6mo ago
    Only if you twist the definition of politics so much it becomes a pretzel, but sure.
    - tovej 6mo ago
      Politics is how you make decisions collectively. In other words the market is political, LLCs are political, and common rules about how work is licensed is political. AI is also being used (unfortunately) to make decisions. AI is therefore political (massively so).
- archdang 6mo ago
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heraldgeezer 6mo ago
[flagged]
- itsangaris 6mo ago
  this article is about the west bank
  - heraldgeezer 6mo ago
    [flagged]
deleted 6mo ago
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_DeadFred_ 6mo ago
Every time these sorts of articles get posted people that express a differing opinion from the standard get flagged (making it so you can't read their post at all) pretty quickly making it seem more like the intention isn't to start discussion. It seems like it's gotten to the point that the people that just get flagged into oblivion stopped trying to post.
- layer8 6mo ago
  FWIW, you can read flagged posts and comments by turning on “showdead” in your profile.
  - freedomben 6mo ago
    IMHO showdead often surfaces a lot of interesting info. It's one of my favorite things about HN, and I love and appreciate that HN has that feature. One example: If you want to see how bad the LLM slop commenting is, showdead is very helpful. It's not as bad as some people think, but it's certainly non-zero. On the plus side, those comments do seem to get identified and flagged/killed pretty quickly.
- iinnPP 6mo ago
  It's not just these articles. Having any differing opinions on basically anything now. It's as far from hacking interest as it gets for me.
  - freedomben 6mo ago
    This is IMHO the most unfortunate thing about how HN has changed in the last 10 years or so. People downvote now as a form of disagreement, rather than using it as a form of collective moderation. The net result is that the popular opinions rise, while unpopular opinions tend to fall or die out. On the plus side, it does make for an interesting barely scientific way to poll for popularity of a topic on HN. Absolutely not worth it IMHO, but it is at least a bit interesting.
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xdennis 6mo ago
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nailer 6mo ago
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avazhi 6mo ago
I wouldn't care about it being a German or American or Chinese national any more than I care about it being a family of Palestinians, and more importantly it wouldn't belong on HN in any of those cases. This has nothing to do with tech, isn't something hackers would find interesting, and doesn't satisfy intellectual curiosity, end of story. It's generic run of the mill nightly news slop that I could get from literally anywhere else if I wanted to waste my time reading/watching uninteresting news that doesn't affect me.

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dijit 6mo ago

I'll bite: If for any reason, probably because it's neither technically interesting nor entrepreneurial in nature. US Politics seems to get more of a pass, probably due to Silicon Valley being there (and nearly all the major tech outlets), similarly some China news gets a pass, also largely when it relates to supply chain and Taiwan.

MisterTea 6mo ago
> US Politics seems to get more of a pass, This goes beyond US politics. The US and Israel do not exist in a bubble. This conflict can and will have big repercussions which will impact our technical and entrepreneurial institutions.
- dijit 6mo ago
  Nothing exists in total isolation, you have to draw lines anyway.
- appreciatorBus 6mo ago
  All events in the universe are connected to all others. If the rule is that anything that could affect anyone is fair game, then there simply are no rules, to subject guidelines, no filter whatsoever. It's hackernews.com without the "hacker"
  - actionfromafar 6mo ago
    All events are connected, but the only superpower is a little more connected.

polski-g 6mo ago

News not connected to technology or VC doesn't belong on HN.

itsangaris 6mo ago
is that an opinion or a consistently enforced policy? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45202200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45202200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46543457 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46543457

twiclo 6mo ago

From the guidelines: What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. If the story was about a German national then yes, I would still say this is political and doesn't gratify my intellectual curiosity.

haunter 6mo ago

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't really care about this certain topic: Either we allow _all_ political content or nothing. The HN guidelines are incredibly grey and handwave-y >Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. To me HN became to big for its own good since the Covid days. It's like the reddit front page except there are no subs with mods but one big flood (basically /r/all). If I got to /r/linux, /r/selfhosted/, /r/networking/ or other tech subs I'll probably find what I saw on HN 15 years ago. But less and less here.

itsangaris 6mo ago
bingo
crote 6mo ago
Banning all political content means banning all mention of open-source software, self-driving cars, anything involving a Big Tech company, anything concerning AI, anything to do with EU or US legislation, anything involving hacking or right to repair, anything about copyright... Ban all politics, and you ban >99% of HN content. Heck, the very concept of HN itself is political!
- jamesnorden 6mo ago
  Only if you twist the definition of politics so much it becomes a pretzel, but sure.
  - tovej 6mo ago
    Politics is how you make decisions collectively. In other words the market is political, LLCs are political, and common rules about how work is licensed is political. AI is also being used (unfortunately) to make decisions. AI is therefore political (massively so).
archdang 6mo ago
[dead]

heraldgeezer 6mo ago

[flagged]

itsangaris 6mo ago
this article is about the west bank
- heraldgeezer 6mo ago
  [flagged]

deleted 6mo ago

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_DeadFred_ 6mo ago

Every time these sorts of articles get posted people that express a differing opinion from the standard get flagged (making it so you can't read their post at all) pretty quickly making it seem more like the intention isn't to start discussion. It seems like it's gotten to the point that the people that just get flagged into oblivion stopped trying to post.

layer8 6mo ago
FWIW, you can read flagged posts and comments by turning on “showdead” in your profile.
- freedomben 6mo ago
  IMHO showdead often surfaces a lot of interesting info. It's one of my favorite things about HN, and I love and appreciate that HN has that feature. One example: If you want to see how bad the LLM slop commenting is, showdead is very helpful. It's not as bad as some people think, but it's certainly non-zero. On the plus side, those comments do seem to get identified and flagged/killed pretty quickly.
iinnPP 6mo ago
It's not just these articles. Having any differing opinions on basically anything now. It's as far from hacking interest as it gets for me.
- freedomben 6mo ago
  This is IMHO the most unfortunate thing about how HN has changed in the last 10 years or so. People downvote now as a form of disagreement, rather than using it as a form of collective moderation. The net result is that the popular opinions rise, while unpopular opinions tend to fall or die out. On the plus side, it does make for an interesting barely scientific way to poll for popularity of a topic on HN. Absolutely not worth it IMHO, but it is at least a bit interesting.

deleted 6mo ago

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xdennis 6mo ago

[flagged]

nailer 6mo ago

[flagged]

avazhi 6mo ago

I wouldn't care about it being a German or American or Chinese national any more than I care about it being a family of Palestinians, and more importantly it wouldn't belong on HN in any of those cases. This has nothing to do with tech, isn't something hackers would find interesting, and doesn't satisfy intellectual curiosity, end of story. It's generic run of the mill nightly news slop that I could get from literally anywhere else if I wanted to waste my time reading/watching uninteresting news that doesn't affect me.