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> If they're too precious to adapt or take a different job, then starve. Yeah I mean I think everyone is with you except for the "then starve", this is just w

> If they're too precious to adapt or take a different job, then starve. Yeah I mean I think everyone is with you except for the "then starve", this is just weirdly combative and lacking in empathy, I find it totally strange. > Me and hundreds of thousands of other organizations who have software needs that were under served by the market. And... you blame software developers for that? You blame software devs for a lack of capacity in the field? So weird. > Now we will have AI write that code for us - or more realistically, now we will purchase this software from any of the thousands of boutique software development shops that will emerge, which use AI + talented human developers to serve us. Okay, I mean, this has always been an option. I guess it will be more of an option now. There have been consulting agencies or "WYSIWYG" editors like Wix or other "low code/ no code" platforms for ages. No one is going to be upset that you're using them. This hostility is totally one sided lol > I have the strong impression that programmers in many cases have a good deal of snobbery regarding what tasks they are willing to work on. We like to work on interesting projects... is that surprising? Is that snobbery? I don't get it. > If it's not giant enterprise software, then it's usually just filed under "hobbyist" or open source. I find this funny because hobbyist/ open source projects are by far the ones that are glamorized by the field, not enterprise software. > Hopefully many programmers will find a well paying career serving less glamorous customers with software that solves real world problems. But many will have to change their attitude if they want to do that. I have no idea where you get this impression from. Most software devs I've worked with are motivated heavily by solving real world problems. I think you have very, very little insight into what software development actually looks like or what software engineers are motivated by. Frankly, this comes off as very much "I was snubbed and now I'm happy that the people who I perceive as having snubbed me will be replaced by AI", which I think is quite lame. You definitely seem to have a resentful tone to your posts that I find weird.

carlosjobim 6mo ago
Lacking in empathy could also be said of the software devs who think that software devs are a significant customer group in the economy, when they are a tiny percentage of the work force. Asking yourself "who is going to purchase the products?" when software development is being automated is quite silly. Why didn't they ask that question when thousands of other professions suffered the same? > And... you blame software developers for that? I don't blame them. They had more lucrative ventures to tend to. Now that under served market segments can be served with the help of AI, then they shouldn't complain. You mention making web sites, but this is probably the only field in computing where the market has a lot of offerings to customers from all segments. If I need a website I don't have to use Wix, there is an endless supply of freelancers or small, medium, or big studios that offer their services. The same cannot be said of other bespoke software needs. BTW, you are hearing a lot more hostility in my comments than is actually there. > We like to work on interesting projects... is that surprising? Is that snobbery? I don't get it. Yes it is snobbery. Other skilled professionals generally do not have that option, they have to do the boring stuff as well. And if you only like to work on interesting projects, then why are people complaining that AI is taking their jobs? Regarding hobbyist / open source, I mean that when software devs aren't working on big enterprise style projects as a job, they tend to work on enterprise style projects as open source, or just play with hobbyist projects. Servicing smaller customers with bespoke software seems to be considered a little bit beneath the programmer dignity. And it's not my personal experience talking. Consider how many studios are offering bespoke software for small businesses, compared to how many studios are offering websites for small businesses. There's a huge gap, that is probably going to be filled in some way pretty soon.
- staticassertion 6mo ago
  > Lacking in empathy could also be said of the software devs who think that software devs are a significant customer group in the economy, when they are a tiny percentage of the work force. This is silly equivocation. I'm telling you that your statement lacks empathy, and you're making vague, unclear gestures to an entire field. Anyway, reading your post it's clear that you have a rather pathetic grudge because software devs weren't interesting in working with you and now you get to grin gleefully as you see AI take away jobs. You obviously have zero insight into software development as a practice, nor how software devs think - this is glaringly obvious by your detraction that software devs give software away for free as somehow snobbery because they wouldn't work on whatever project you clearly hold a grudge over. Further, your comments from start to finish demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what the job actually entails. > BTW, you are hearing a lot more hostility in my comments than is actually there. Maybe so! I can't tell you what you actually think, but it comes off as really pathetic, so maybe reread your post and consider why I'm hearing it. Best of luck in your ventures.
  - carlosjobim 6mo ago
    You aren't thinking clearly enough to understand what I'm saying, becuase you can't let go of my perhaps harsh comment. But come on, people here are saying "who is going to buy products if we don't have jobs", as if they never gave a thought to other people who had their jobs automated away. That's a lack of empathy. In many cases software is exactly what took away other people's jobs. Secretary used to be a common job, as well as "computer", which was a human making calculations. But since you are a hacker and have to be always right, you have just descended into personal attacks now.
    - staticassertion 6mo ago
      > But since you are a hacker and have to be always right, you have just descended into personal attacks now. The irony of this statement is so silly. Once again, you clearly have hang ups. I've explained everything I have to say.

carlosjobim 6mo ago

Lacking in empathy could also be said of the software devs who think that software devs are a significant customer group in the economy, when they are a tiny percentage of the work force. Asking yourself "who is going to purchase the products?" when software development is being automated is quite silly. Why didn't they ask that question when thousands of other professions suffered the same? > And... you blame software developers for that? I don't blame them. They had more lucrative ventures to tend to. Now that under served market segments can be served with the help of AI, then they shouldn't complain. You mention making web sites, but this is probably the only field in computing where the market has a lot of offerings to customers from all segments. If I need a website I don't have to use Wix, there is an endless supply of freelancers or small, medium, or big studios that offer their services. The same cannot be said of other bespoke software needs. BTW, you are hearing a lot more hostility in my comments than is actually there. > We like to work on interesting projects... is that surprising? Is that snobbery? I don't get it. Yes it is snobbery. Other skilled professionals generally do not have that option, they have to do the boring stuff as well. And if you only like to work on interesting projects, then why are people complaining that AI is taking their jobs? Regarding hobbyist / open source, I mean that when software devs aren't working on big enterprise style projects as a job, they tend to work on enterprise style projects as open source, or just play with hobbyist projects. Servicing smaller customers with bespoke software seems to be considered a little bit beneath the programmer dignity. And it's not my personal experience talking. Consider how many studios are offering bespoke software for small businesses, compared to how many studios are offering websites for small businesses. There's a huge gap, that is probably going to be filled in some way pretty soon.

staticassertion 6mo ago
> Lacking in empathy could also be said of the software devs who think that software devs are a significant customer group in the economy, when they are a tiny percentage of the work force. This is silly equivocation. I'm telling you that your statement lacks empathy, and you're making vague, unclear gestures to an entire field. Anyway, reading your post it's clear that you have a rather pathetic grudge because software devs weren't interesting in working with you and now you get to grin gleefully as you see AI take away jobs. You obviously have zero insight into software development as a practice, nor how software devs think - this is glaringly obvious by your detraction that software devs give software away for free as somehow snobbery because they wouldn't work on whatever project you clearly hold a grudge over. Further, your comments from start to finish demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what the job actually entails. > BTW, you are hearing a lot more hostility in my comments than is actually there. Maybe so! I can't tell you what you actually think, but it comes off as really pathetic, so maybe reread your post and consider why I'm hearing it. Best of luck in your ventures.
- carlosjobim 6mo ago
  You aren't thinking clearly enough to understand what I'm saying, becuase you can't let go of my perhaps harsh comment. But come on, people here are saying "who is going to buy products if we don't have jobs", as if they never gave a thought to other people who had their jobs automated away. That's a lack of empathy. In many cases software is exactly what took away other people's jobs. Secretary used to be a common job, as well as "computer", which was a human making calculations. But since you are a hacker and have to be always right, you have just descended into personal attacks now.
  - staticassertion 6mo ago
    > But since you are a hacker and have to be always right, you have just descended into personal attacks now. The irony of this statement is so silly. Once again, you clearly have hang ups. I've explained everything I have to say.