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Simple solutions: block all Starlink terminals that aren’t whitelisted upon entering Russian territory or Ukrainian conflict zones. This will prevent Russians

Simple solutions: block all Starlink terminals that aren’t whitelisted upon entering Russian territory or Ukrainian conflict zones. This will prevent Russians importing Starlink terminals and then deploying them in Ukraine. Work with Ukrainians to whitelist all their terminals.

justsomehnguy 6mo ago
It's beyond sickening what none of you even bother with the idea what a civilian service should not be used by the military, especially in the zone of the conflict - by any side.
- echoangle 6mo ago
  Why not? Assuming you want one of the sides to win, why would you not want your side to use every (ethical) means available to do that?
  - WalterBright 6mo ago
    War is not ethical.
    - jacquesm 6mo ago
      Starting a war is not ethical. Defending your territory from aggressors is 100% ethical.
    - remarkEon 6mo ago
      Of course it is.
    - RealityVoid 6mo ago
      This line of thinking would lead to the world being led by bastards. There are ethical uses of war and violence.
    - echoangle 6mo ago
      Starting a war maybe not (depending on circumstances), but how is getting attacked and fighting a war to prevent invasion not ethical?
- 15155 6mo ago
  "Civilian service" - lol. SpaceX is a privately-owned defense services company. Their #1 client is the United States. Their launches out of Vandenberg occur because the United States Space Force allows them to happen. Are you on their board? Who are you to make the call that the product they are offering is a "civilian" (only?) service?
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- nradov 6mo ago
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MarkusQ 6mo ago
Which is exactly what they are doing. https://unn.ua/en/news/ukraine-launches-starlink-whitelist-in-response-to-russian-use-of-terminals-how-it-will-work https://unn.ua/en/news/ukraine-launches-starlink-whitelist-i...
- ftth_finland 6mo ago
  It’s missing the part that any non-whitelisted Starlink terminal entering Russian territory should automatically be blocked. This would deny all Russians the use of Starlink.
  - MarkusQ 6mo ago
    The issue isn't Russians using Starlink inside Russia (they have other option, e.g. wired system, etc. there); the issue was their using it for drones and other combat operations inside Ukraine (including Ukrainian territory presently held by Russia).
    - ftth_finland 6mo ago
      The point is that in order for Russians to use Starlink in combat operations in Ukraine, they first have to import them to Russia. All non-whitelisted Starlink terminals entering Russia should be immediately bricked to prevent this. It's an important part for denying Russians the use of Starlink.

justsomehnguy 6mo ago

It's beyond sickening what none of you even bother with the idea what a civilian service should not be used by the military, especially in the zone of the conflict - by any side.

echoangle 6mo ago
Why not? Assuming you want one of the sides to win, why would you not want your side to use every (ethical) means available to do that?
- WalterBright 6mo ago
  War is not ethical.
  - jacquesm 6mo ago
    Starting a war is not ethical. Defending your territory from aggressors is 100% ethical.
  - remarkEon 6mo ago
    Of course it is.
  - RealityVoid 6mo ago
    This line of thinking would lead to the world being led by bastards. There are ethical uses of war and violence.
  - echoangle 6mo ago
    Starting a war maybe not (depending on circumstances), but how is getting attacked and fighting a war to prevent invasion not ethical?
15155 6mo ago
"Civilian service" - lol. SpaceX is a privately-owned defense services company. Their #1 client is the United States. Their launches out of Vandenberg occur because the United States Space Force allows them to happen. Are you on their board? Who are you to make the call that the product they are offering is a "civilian" (only?) service?
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nradov 6mo ago
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MarkusQ 6mo ago

Which is exactly what they are doing. https://unn.ua/en/news/ukraine-launches-starlink-whitelist-in-response-to-russian-use-of-terminals-how-it-will-work https://unn.ua/en/news/ukraine-launches-starlink-whitelist-i...

ftth_finland 6mo ago
It’s missing the part that any non-whitelisted Starlink terminal entering Russian territory should automatically be blocked. This would deny all Russians the use of Starlink.
- MarkusQ 6mo ago
  The issue isn't Russians using Starlink inside Russia (they have other option, e.g. wired system, etc. there); the issue was their using it for drones and other combat operations inside Ukraine (including Ukrainian territory presently held by Russia).
  - ftth_finland 6mo ago
    The point is that in order for Russians to use Starlink in combat operations in Ukraine, they first have to import them to Russia. All non-whitelisted Starlink terminals entering Russia should be immediately bricked to prevent this. It's an important part for denying Russians the use of Starlink.