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It could be a move to have parity with TikTok, where they claim it’s for safety reasons. I’ve been seeing advertisements for Instagram touting their child/teen

It could be a move to have parity with TikTok, where they claim it’s for safety reasons. I’ve been seeing advertisements for Instagram touting their child/teen protection features. Seems like they’re really trying to beat the allegations that Instagram is bad for children’s health. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47241817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47241817

dmix 6mo ago
Protecting kids and Terrorism, always the reason why nobody is allowed to have privacy on the internet.
- nunobrito 6mo ago
  Cars nowadays are packed with microphones and permanently connected to the internet on daily basis so that drivers can have remote assistance when the car breaks once every 5 years or so.
  - Sayrus 6mo ago
    I keep hearing this one. But at least for EU, the eCall system requires external communication to be disabled until activated during serious accident. It cannot be used for tracking the vehicle in real-time. Some parts of the legislation (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32015R0758 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32...): > 2. The personal data processed pursuant to this Regulation shall only be used for the purpose of handling the emergency situations referred to in the first subparagraph of Article 5(2). > Manufacturers shall provide clear and comprehensive information in the owner's manual about the processing of data carried out through the 112-based eCall in-vehicle system. That information shall consist of: > the fact that there is no constant tracking of the vehicle; That vehicle nowadays are equipped with always-on internet and microphones is not related to remote assistance.
    - SV_BubbleTime 6mo ago
      This is such misdirection. Your car if new enough, IS reporting its diagnostics including GPS via cell. All the time. This isn’t exactly personally identifiable so they get away with it just fine. This is unrelated to the microphones and assistance systems.
      - Sayrus 6mo ago
        Which is exactly my point. Cars are reporting on you, but tying that to remote assistance is disingenuous.
        nobodyandproud 6mo ago
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        Sayrus 6mo ago
        Happy to read your thoughts, can you elaborate on this?
        deleted 6mo ago
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      - cluckindan 6mo ago
        It becomes personally identifiable through correlations with other datasets. That is the kind of thing people allow when they click accept or decline on those pesky ”we and our 195735 partners would like to…” dialogs.
    - nunobrito 6mo ago
      Kindly read point number 2 slowly. There are two definitions: a) Personal Data and b) Emergency Situations What is an emergency situation and how can a car determine it is one? These are "smart" cars which aren't nowadays smart enough to process all your data locally, so that data is sent to servers elsewhere which process if either points a) or b) apply. It is your choice to believe that voice data is ever deleted once acquired by governments and entities thirsty to benefit from that information. For security experts this is just another "I told you so" within a few years.
  - youknownothing 6mo ago
    And also so employees of said companies can spy on drivers and make fun of them: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...
    - stephbook 6mo ago
      Which just shows that consumers don't care. Tesla's camera surveillance wasn't exactly secret.
      - nobodyandproud 6mo ago
        Equating what companies get away with, as the clear signal to what consumers care about. And billionaires and nine-day old alts wonder why they need a bunker.
      - Sohcahtoa82 6mo ago
        Customers care, but not enough to actually change purchasing patterns.
      - mounram 6mo ago
        They care, but it is not in their top priorities
  - officeplant 6mo ago
    One of my favorite things about going EV is the forums tend to be full of paranoid nerds which means someone will be willing to try desoldering the cell modem off their boards to see what happens.
- hackingonempty 6mo ago
  Also drug dealers and money launderers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...
PunchyHamster 6mo ago
More like excuse
varispeed 6mo ago
How these protections are working when I get served literal porn every couple of shorts on Instagram?
- subscribed 6mo ago
  Hard to say other than usually the feed is tailored to the user's interests, or so they say ;)
jszymborski 6mo ago
Protect your kids from whom? Surely not Meta, which is my main concern.
plagiarist 6mo ago
It certainly is unsafe for their AI training corpus. Win / win if they can also lie about protecting children as a motivation.
maqp 6mo ago
The sad part is, Instagram is exceptionally damaging to kids for a disjoint set of reasons.
- throwfaraway4 6mo ago
  As is social media in general. I highly recommend reading the Anxious Generation
butlike 6mo ago
It's bad for EVERYONE's health. Try to limit your usage and you'll feel better. I promise you'll feel better.

dmix 6mo ago

Protecting kids and Terrorism, always the reason why nobody is allowed to have privacy on the internet.

nunobrito 6mo ago
Cars nowadays are packed with microphones and permanently connected to the internet on daily basis so that drivers can have remote assistance when the car breaks once every 5 years or so.
- Sayrus 6mo ago
  I keep hearing this one. But at least for EU, the eCall system requires external communication to be disabled until activated during serious accident. It cannot be used for tracking the vehicle in real-time. Some parts of the legislation (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32015R0758 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32...): > 2. The personal data processed pursuant to this Regulation shall only be used for the purpose of handling the emergency situations referred to in the first subparagraph of Article 5(2). > Manufacturers shall provide clear and comprehensive information in the owner's manual about the processing of data carried out through the 112-based eCall in-vehicle system. That information shall consist of: > the fact that there is no constant tracking of the vehicle; That vehicle nowadays are equipped with always-on internet and microphones is not related to remote assistance.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6mo ago
    This is such misdirection. Your car if new enough, IS reporting its diagnostics including GPS via cell. All the time. This isn’t exactly personally identifiable so they get away with it just fine. This is unrelated to the microphones and assistance systems.
    - Sayrus 6mo ago
      Which is exactly my point. Cars are reporting on you, but tying that to remote assistance is disingenuous.
      - nobodyandproud 6mo ago
        [flagged]
        Sayrus 6mo ago
        Happy to read your thoughts, can you elaborate on this?
      - deleted 6mo ago
        [deleted]
    - cluckindan 6mo ago
      It becomes personally identifiable through correlations with other datasets. That is the kind of thing people allow when they click accept or decline on those pesky ”we and our 195735 partners would like to…” dialogs.
  - nunobrito 6mo ago
    Kindly read point number 2 slowly. There are two definitions: a) Personal Data and b) Emergency Situations What is an emergency situation and how can a car determine it is one? These are "smart" cars which aren't nowadays smart enough to process all your data locally, so that data is sent to servers elsewhere which process if either points a) or b) apply. It is your choice to believe that voice data is ever deleted once acquired by governments and entities thirsty to benefit from that information. For security experts this is just another "I told you so" within a few years.
- youknownothing 6mo ago
  And also so employees of said companies can spy on drivers and make fun of them: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...
  - stephbook 6mo ago
    Which just shows that consumers don't care. Tesla's camera surveillance wasn't exactly secret.
    - nobodyandproud 6mo ago
      Equating what companies get away with, as the clear signal to what consumers care about. And billionaires and nine-day old alts wonder why they need a bunker.
    - Sohcahtoa82 6mo ago
      Customers care, but not enough to actually change purchasing patterns.
    - mounram 6mo ago
      They care, but it is not in their top priorities
- officeplant 6mo ago
  One of my favorite things about going EV is the forums tend to be full of paranoid nerds which means someone will be willing to try desoldering the cell modem off their boards to see what happens.
hackingonempty 6mo ago
Also drug dealers and money launderers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

PunchyHamster 6mo ago

More like excuse

varispeed 6mo ago

How these protections are working when I get served literal porn every couple of shorts on Instagram?

subscribed 6mo ago
Hard to say other than usually the feed is tailored to the user's interests, or so they say ;)

jszymborski 6mo ago

Protect your kids from whom? Surely not Meta, which is my main concern.

plagiarist 6mo ago

It certainly is unsafe for their AI training corpus. Win / win if they can also lie about protecting children as a motivation.

maqp 6mo ago

The sad part is, Instagram is exceptionally damaging to kids for a disjoint set of reasons.

throwfaraway4 6mo ago
As is social media in general. I highly recommend reading the Anxious Generation

butlike 6mo ago

It's bad for EVERYONE's health. Try to limit your usage and you'll feel better. I promise you'll feel better.