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If by "survival" you mean surviving against a bloodthirsty regime that killed 10,000 people in January alone, then yes: the people of Iran are fighting for surv

by elbasti 6mo ago

If by "survival" you mean surviving against a bloodthirsty regime that killed 10,000 people in January alone, then yes: the people of Iran are fighting for survival.

gravisultra 6mo ago
That's pure Israeli propaganda, and as you see there is absolutely no "up rising" from Iranian citizens. They are however, uniformly against Israel and the US given that we started this illegal war by bombing a girls school and murdering over 170 children. Much like Israel has been doing since its creation in 1948.
- UltraSane 6mo ago
  "there is absolutely no "up rising" from Iranian citizens" This is an extremely bold lie. There have been many uprisings by Iranians against their horrible government that are extremely brutally suppressed by said government. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/589307/iran-police-chief-says-anti-government-protesters-treated-as-enemies https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/589307/iran-police-chief-sa... Iranian protesters will be treated as enemies if they support Tehran's foes, the country's top police officer warned, as the Middle East war sparked fears mass anti-government rallies could reignite. "If anyone comes forward in line with the wishes of the enemy, we will no longer see them as merely a protester, we will see them as an enemy," said national police chief Ahmad-Reza Radan in comments aired by state broadcaster IRIB late on Tuesday. "And we will do to them what we do to an enemy. We will deal with them in the same way we deal with enemies," he added. "All our forces are also ready, with their hands on the trigger, prepared to defend their revolution." His warning comes after the government cracked down on anti-government protests in January, sparked a month before over economic grievances in the sanctions-hit country. The authorities deemed the protests to be "riots" and Radan at one point issued an ultimatum to protesters to hand themselves in or face the full force of the law. Iranian authorities acknowledge more than 3000 deaths in the unrest, including members of the security forces and bystanders, but say the violence was caused by "terrorist acts" fuelled by Iran's enemies. The US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA), however, has recorded more than 7,000 killings in the crackdown, the vast majority protesters, though the toll may be far higher. More than 50,000 have been arrested, it says. US President Donald Trump had initially cheered on the protesters, threatening to intervene on their behalf as authorities launched a deadly crackdown, but his threats soon shifted to Iran's nuclear programme. Washington launched strikes with Israel on Iran on February 28, sparking retaliatory strikes by Tehran against Israel and US bases across the Gulf region.
  - gravisultra 6mo ago
    > Iranian authorities acknowledge more than 3000 deaths in the unrest, This is a claim without evidence. Please post the Iranian statement where they say there were 3000 deaths. > The US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA) This is an anti-Iranian propaganda outlet.
    - UltraSane 6mo ago
      https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Iranian+authorities+acknowledge+more+than+3000+deaths+in+the+unrest https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Iranian... https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-says-3117-killed-in-recent-protests-issuing-lower-death-toll-than-human-rights-activists https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-says-3117-killed-in-... https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20260122_07/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20260122_07/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/17/middleeast/iran-supreme-leader-khamenei-protests-criminal-trump-intl-latam https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/17/middleeast/iran-supreme-leade...
      - gravisultra 6mo ago
        Yep, not a single first party source. You have not provided the Iranian statement that these well known Zionist media properties claim exists.
        UltraSane 6mo ago
        What do YOU consider to be "first party sources" for Iran? Why it is OK for Iran to be an Islamic Theocracy but wrong for Israel to be a Jewish State? This is a pretty big double standard. You use the word Zionist like a slur.
        gravisultra 6mo ago
        A first party source, means directly from the originating party. In this case, there is no statement from Iranian officials that exists. Just 2nd hand quotes. Other first party sources would be photographic evidence, videos... like what we have of Zionist crimes in Gaza, the West Bank, Iran, Lebanon... Iran is inhabited by indigenous people. Israel is ruled by colonizers. That is the difference. Another huge difference that impacts me as a US citizen is that Iran has zero influence on my government and there are zero laws removing my rights in favor of Iran, which is the exact opposite of Israel.
s_dev 6mo ago
"Tu quoque" comments don't help any discussion. Both the US and Iran are wrong. Iran is wrong for the massacre and the US is wrong for starting a war with Israel against Iran. They are wrong for different reasons. Iran is run by a despotic regime and the US has lost the plot. Possibly Trump is trying to deflect from the Epstein files and create a rally around the flag effect as the midterms approach and doesn't have better ideas to get the public on side. Israel is in the wrong here too.

by elbasti 6mo ago

If by "survival" you mean surviving against a bloodthirsty regime that killed 10,000 people in January alone, then yes: the people of Iran are fighting for survival.

gravisultra 6mo ago

That's pure Israeli propaganda, and as you see there is absolutely no "up rising" from Iranian citizens. They are however, uniformly against Israel and the US given that we started this illegal war by bombing a girls school and murdering over 170 children. Much like Israel has been doing since its creation in 1948.

UltraSane 6mo ago
"there is absolutely no "up rising" from Iranian citizens" This is an extremely bold lie. There have been many uprisings by Iranians against their horrible government that are extremely brutally suppressed by said government. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/589307/iran-police-chief-says-anti-government-protesters-treated-as-enemies https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/589307/iran-police-chief-sa... Iranian protesters will be treated as enemies if they support Tehran's foes, the country's top police officer warned, as the Middle East war sparked fears mass anti-government rallies could reignite. "If anyone comes forward in line with the wishes of the enemy, we will no longer see them as merely a protester, we will see them as an enemy," said national police chief Ahmad-Reza Radan in comments aired by state broadcaster IRIB late on Tuesday. "And we will do to them what we do to an enemy. We will deal with them in the same way we deal with enemies," he added. "All our forces are also ready, with their hands on the trigger, prepared to defend their revolution." His warning comes after the government cracked down on anti-government protests in January, sparked a month before over economic grievances in the sanctions-hit country. The authorities deemed the protests to be "riots" and Radan at one point issued an ultimatum to protesters to hand themselves in or face the full force of the law. Iranian authorities acknowledge more than 3000 deaths in the unrest, including members of the security forces and bystanders, but say the violence was caused by "terrorist acts" fuelled by Iran's enemies. The US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA), however, has recorded more than 7,000 killings in the crackdown, the vast majority protesters, though the toll may be far higher. More than 50,000 have been arrested, it says. US President Donald Trump had initially cheered on the protesters, threatening to intervene on their behalf as authorities launched a deadly crackdown, but his threats soon shifted to Iran's nuclear programme. Washington launched strikes with Israel on Iran on February 28, sparking retaliatory strikes by Tehran against Israel and US bases across the Gulf region.
- gravisultra 6mo ago
  > Iranian authorities acknowledge more than 3000 deaths in the unrest, This is a claim without evidence. Please post the Iranian statement where they say there were 3000 deaths. > The US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA) This is an anti-Iranian propaganda outlet.
  - UltraSane 6mo ago
    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Iranian+authorities+acknowledge+more+than+3000+deaths+in+the+unrest https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Iranian... https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-says-3117-killed-in-recent-protests-issuing-lower-death-toll-than-human-rights-activists https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-says-3117-killed-in-... https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20260122_07/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20260122_07/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/17/middleeast/iran-supreme-leader-khamenei-protests-criminal-trump-intl-latam https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/17/middleeast/iran-supreme-leade...
    - gravisultra 6mo ago
      Yep, not a single first party source. You have not provided the Iranian statement that these well known Zionist media properties claim exists.
      - UltraSane 6mo ago
        What do YOU consider to be "first party sources" for Iran? Why it is OK for Iran to be an Islamic Theocracy but wrong for Israel to be a Jewish State? This is a pretty big double standard. You use the word Zionist like a slur.
        gravisultra 6mo ago
        A first party source, means directly from the originating party. In this case, there is no statement from Iranian officials that exists. Just 2nd hand quotes. Other first party sources would be photographic evidence, videos... like what we have of Zionist crimes in Gaza, the West Bank, Iran, Lebanon... Iran is inhabited by indigenous people. Israel is ruled by colonizers. That is the difference. Another huge difference that impacts me as a US citizen is that Iran has zero influence on my government and there are zero laws removing my rights in favor of Iran, which is the exact opposite of Israel.

s_dev 6mo ago

"Tu quoque" comments don't help any discussion. Both the US and Iran are wrong. Iran is wrong for the massacre and the US is wrong for starting a war with Israel against Iran. They are wrong for different reasons. Iran is run by a despotic regime and the US has lost the plot. Possibly Trump is trying to deflect from the Epstein files and create a rally around the flag effect as the midterms approach and doesn't have better ideas to get the public on side. Israel is in the wrong here too.