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The translations make no sense to a German native speaker. The list even swap meanings, i.e. between confusion and clutter. Accurate translations are: Verwirr

The translations make no sense to a German native speaker. The list even swap meanings, i.e. between confusion and clutter. Accurate translations are: Verwirrung = Confusion Zwietracht = Discord You swapped i and e; somehow English speakders do this to German words all of the time. The 'ie' in here is a long 'i'. Zweitracht on the other hand would mean a "double traditional costume", if that word existed (it does exist in theory, it is just then number two [Zwei] and the noun for a traditional costume [Tracht] strung together; would be a great name for a German shop that sells used/pre-owned traditional costumes btw.) Unordnung = Clutter Beamtenherrschaft = Rule of the public servant class Grummet = Second hay harvest

exmadscientist 6mo ago
Illuminatus! is one of those works where there's a decent chance this is just a mistake or oversight, but also a decent chance this is exactly what the authors intended. You never can quite tell, and they definitely liked that.
sanderjd 6mo ago
I think the reason that English speakers swap ie/ei is that the pronunciations of these is not really consistent in English (at least in the American accent I speak), and I can't think of any words where both orderings exist but have different meanings. So the general impression I have about this is that I know there are supposed to be rules about it, but it seems pretty arbitrary and unimportant semantically.
- QuercusMax 6mo ago
  Frahnken-STEEN vs Franken-STINE
  - sanderjd 6mo ago
    Right, we truly don't have a strong rule about differentiating these in the standard American dialect! Most people say STINE for this one, but if you say STEEN, nobody is gonna be confused or tell you that it's wrong.
  - FrustratedMonky 6mo ago
    Exactly, Americans do use both pronunciations .
croes 6mo ago
But Beamte are heavily linked to bureaucracy. Chaos is the opposite of order and the opposite of Ordnung is Unordnung

exmadscientist 6mo ago

Illuminatus! is one of those works where there's a decent chance this is just a mistake or oversight, but also a decent chance this is exactly what the authors intended. You never can quite tell, and they definitely liked that.

sanderjd 6mo ago

I think the reason that English speakers swap ie/ei is that the pronunciations of these is not really consistent in English (at least in the American accent I speak), and I can't think of any words where both orderings exist but have different meanings. So the general impression I have about this is that I know there are supposed to be rules about it, but it seems pretty arbitrary and unimportant semantically.

QuercusMax 6mo ago
Frahnken-STEEN vs Franken-STINE
- sanderjd 6mo ago
  Right, we truly don't have a strong rule about differentiating these in the standard American dialect! Most people say STINE for this one, but if you say STEEN, nobody is gonna be confused or tell you that it's wrong.
- FrustratedMonky 6mo ago
  Exactly, Americans do use both pronunciations .

croes 6mo ago

But Beamte are heavily linked to bureaucracy. Chaos is the opposite of order and the opposite of Ordnung is Unordnung