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Assuming those Americans want to live in a highly liberal country.

jleyank 6mo ago
I wouldn't call Canada "highly liberal" unless you're starting from a rather conservative bias. Having lived in both countries, there's a lot to be said for not having to scramble for health insurance when you don't have good, full-time employment. It's would say it's quieter, less-exciting, and that's probably a good thing particularly when trying to raise a family. If you have such a bias, maybe Alberta would be tolerable but I doubt it. If you're from the coastal portions of the US, Canada would be quite reasonable.
- cf100clunk 6mo ago
  > Assuming those Americans want to live in a highly liberal country. Also citizenship and residence are not the same. As for that political view, the article deals directly with motivations for why Canadian citizenship via this new process has become popular.
- petermcneeley 6mo ago
  Canada isnt liberal; it is corrupt. These are not the same things.
  - vincent-manis 6mo ago
    Please define “corrupt”.
    - petermcneeley 6mo ago
      Can you imagine asking someone to define corruption?
  - gucci-on-fleek 6mo ago
    Compared to what? Everything is corrupt in some sense, but Canada generally ranks pretty well compared to most other countries [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada
    - petermcneeley 6mo ago
      The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. I dont see that listed in this wiki entry. Perhaps this wiki is incomplete.
      - whattheheckheck 6mo ago
        Bet you listen to Joe rogan too
        petermcneeley 6mo ago
        I do not.
      - gucci-on-fleek 6mo ago
        > The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). Ok, but I don't see how that's corruption. Switching to some American examples, I've never heard anyone refer to the jailing of MLK [0], the shooting of Vietnam War protesters [1], or Stonewall [2] as "corruption", and these are all much more extreme than the 2022 Canadian protests. > This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Do you have a source for this? Because §28.7 of the report from the independent commission [3] states that its use was legitimate: For these reasons, I have concluded that Cabinet was reasonably concerned that the situation it was facing was worsening and at risk of becoming dangerous and unmanageable. There was credible and compelling evidence supporting both a subjective and objective reasonable belief in the existence of a public order emergency. The decision to invoke the Act was appropriate. > Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. It was a decision made by the Cabinet while acting in its official capacity, so parliamentary privilege [4] means that there could never be any criminal consequences, no matter how severe what they did was. Political actions generally only have political consequences, and considering that Justin Trudeau and much of the Cabinet resigned a couple years later [5], I'd argue that there were in fact some consequences. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Luther_King_Jr._jailed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Lut... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots [3]: https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Final-Report/Vol-1-Report-of-the-Public-Inquiry-into-the-2022-Public-Order-Emergency.pdf#POEC-English-Volume%201_MASTER.indd%3A.63185%3A1494 https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Fi... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada [5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_political_crisis#Resignation_of_Justin_Trudeau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_pol...
  - GJim 6mo ago
    Oh dear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruptio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer
gucci-on-fleek 6mo ago
Much like the US, in Canada, the Federal government has relatively little influence on day-to-day life, and the general culture is heavily location-dependent. So someone moving to downtown Toronto will have a very different experience from someone moving to rural Alberta.
- jleyank 6mo ago
  Or Quebec. Way different than the two listed options.
red-iron-pine 6mo ago
I'm in American in Canada. Nothing you can get here you couldn't in Texas or California or NYC, outside of healthcare (which is slowly being peeled away). "Highly liberal" is laughable. In most cases the same bad actors causing problems in the US are the same in Canada.

I wouldn't call Canada "highly liberal" unless you're starting from a rather conservative bias. Having lived in both countries, there's a lot to be said for not having to scramble for health insurance when you don't have good, full-time employment. It's would say it's quieter, less-exciting, and that's probably a good thing particularly when trying to raise a family. If you have such a bias, maybe Alberta would be tolerable but I doubt it. If you're from the coastal portions of the US, Canada would be quite reasonable.

cf100clunk 6mo ago
> Assuming those Americans want to live in a highly liberal country. Also citizenship and residence are not the same. As for that political view, the article deals directly with motivations for why Canadian citizenship via this new process has become popular.
petermcneeley 6mo ago
Canada isnt liberal; it is corrupt. These are not the same things.
- vincent-manis 6mo ago
  Please define “corrupt”.
  - petermcneeley 6mo ago
    Can you imagine asking someone to define corruption?
- gucci-on-fleek 6mo ago
  Compared to what? Everything is corrupt in some sense, but Canada generally ranks pretty well compared to most other countries [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada
  - petermcneeley 6mo ago
    The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. I dont see that listed in this wiki entry. Perhaps this wiki is incomplete.
    - whattheheckheck 6mo ago
      Bet you listen to Joe rogan too
      - petermcneeley 6mo ago
        I do not.
    - gucci-on-fleek 6mo ago
      > The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). Ok, but I don't see how that's corruption. Switching to some American examples, I've never heard anyone refer to the jailing of MLK [0], the shooting of Vietnam War protesters [1], or Stonewall [2] as "corruption", and these are all much more extreme than the 2022 Canadian protests. > This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Do you have a source for this? Because §28.7 of the report from the independent commission [3] states that its use was legitimate: For these reasons, I have concluded that Cabinet was reasonably concerned that the situation it was facing was worsening and at risk of becoming dangerous and unmanageable. There was credible and compelling evidence supporting both a subjective and objective reasonable belief in the existence of a public order emergency. The decision to invoke the Act was appropriate. > Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. It was a decision made by the Cabinet while acting in its official capacity, so parliamentary privilege [4] means that there could never be any criminal consequences, no matter how severe what they did was. Political actions generally only have political consequences, and considering that Justin Trudeau and much of the Cabinet resigned a couple years later [5], I'd argue that there were in fact some consequences. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Luther_King_Jr._jailed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Lut... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots [3]: https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Final-Report/Vol-1-Report-of-the-Public-Inquiry-into-the-2022-Public-Order-Emergency.pdf#POEC-English-Volume%201_MASTER.indd%3A.63185%3A1494 https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Fi... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada [5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_political_crisis#Resignation_of_Justin_Trudeau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_pol...
- GJim 6mo ago
  Oh dear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruptio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer

gucci-on-fleek 6mo ago

Much like the US, in Canada, the Federal government has relatively little influence on day-to-day life, and the general culture is heavily location-dependent. So someone moving to downtown Toronto will have a very different experience from someone moving to rural Alberta.

jleyank 6mo ago
Or Quebec. Way different than the two listed options.

red-iron-pine 6mo ago

I'm in American in Canada. Nothing you can get here you couldn't in Texas or California or NYC, outside of healthcare (which is slowly being peeled away). "Highly liberal" is laughable. In most cases the same bad actors causing problems in the US are the same in Canada.